Free rein feeding method

[Perris]

I’d already liked this post in the nutrition thread but obviously not consciously taken it in.

I've done the same, and others too. It's also quite possible to read something and think we've understood it, and then later, returning to the issue, realise that we hadn't really understood it before, and through such iterations our knowledge deepens and becomes more secure. And we may even change our minds on something!

 

[Perris]

this summary from the Beeb may help people get their heads round the difficult paper

"Imagine the ideal food. One that contains all the nutrients necessary to meet, but not exceed, our daily nutrient demands. If such a food existed, consuming it, without eating any other, would provide the optimal nutritional balance for our body.

Such a food does not exist. But we can do the next best thing.

The key is to eat a balance of highly nutritional foods, that when consumed together, do not contain too much of any one nutrient, to avoid exceeding daily recommended amounts. ...

Scientists studied more than 1,000 foods, assigning each a nutritional score. The higher the score, the more likely each food would meet, but not exceed your daily nutritional needs, when eaten in combination with others"

that is, in combination with others from each of the 4 different main categories (protein-rich, fat-rich (that's where the lard comes in of course), carbohydrate-rich, and low-calorie). The S2 data set focuses on the foods that scored well in this system, organised into the 4 categories (column on the left) while S1 has the whole list.

 

[Ital]

Here guys...
I copied it over to a Google Sheet for you.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_qeXt1lfI3gWNyN24DHguMU2clQp5OGUM8VWF1YJ4ao/edit?usp=sharing



edit.
I went ahead and added the S2 Data set to a second tab in this worksheet.
Notice the tab (sheet) names on the bottom.

Not sure if it’s because I’m using a mobile but I can’t access this either.

Could anyone who’s managed to access the full list of ‘S1/S2 data set... foods that scored well in this system’ copy and past them into this thread directly for people to see without needing to click on a link?

It would be a good place for anyone feeding their birds free rein to start when selecting the different foods to offer.

 

[Perris]

I can't imagine it would be useable, if even doable, on a mobile phone tiddly screen. The short version is 6 columns wide and 271 rows long.

 

[Perris]

and the WHO method, reported here https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...trad-views-on-nutrition.1567953/post-26818667
is based on the same sort of reasoning as this paper, so if you can access those webpages on your phone, maybe that'll do absent a desktop computer?

 

[saysfaa]

Here guys...
I copied it over to a Google Sheet for you.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_qeXt1lfI3gWNyN24DHguMU2clQp5OGUM8VWF1YJ4ao/edit?usp=sharing

It has been a long time since I did anything with google sheets so I don't know what it can do anymore - can it be made open access, maybe without editing access? Access currently has to be requested.

Nevermind, I found it. There is S1 data sets as well as S1 appendix.

Edit again because: I don't see the irreducible food sets. The single digit fitness score is less helpful because one still needs to figure out which combinations of foods work well together (that is the hard part).

I agree fat in the diet is essential; it's just that the fat of scavenger species with a digestive system among the closest to humans is probably not the healthiest option (for humans at least) even if it can be broken down to at least x amount and not more than y amount of more of the components they considered than other foods can be.

 

[Ital]

absent a desktop computer?

Severe aversion to modern technology.
The mobile phone was a reluctantly accepted gift, I’ve not had a tv for 30 years.

 

[Perris]

Severe aversion to modern technology.
The mobile phone was a reluctantly accepted gift, I’ve not had a tv for 30 years.

No worries; very understandable. If you still want to read the paper, and look at the data sets, given it's online only, perhaps you could pop into your local library and ask someone there to get it up for you on one of the library's PCs for public use?

 

[Kiki]

Severe aversion to modern technology.
The mobile phone was a reluctantly accepted gift, I’ve not had a tv for 30 years.

I can copy it all in to a post/private message here on BYC if you want to read it.
Just let me know and I'll do it for you.

 

[Perris]

I agree fat in the diet is essential; it's just that the fat of scavenger species with a digestive system among the closest to humans is probably not the healthiest option (for humans at least) even if it can be broken down to at least x amount and not more than y amount of more of the components they considered than other foods can be.

It wasn't chosen at random. Turns out pork fat has a more appropriate amount of niacin (and less inappropriate amounts of other things) than other animal products, and niacin is one of the nutrients they identified as a bottleneck nutrient, which is why it's one of the handful of things picked out in column 6. Apparently there's a strong correlation between it and protein across both animal based and plant based foods.