Frizzle + Frizzle = ???

Discussion in 'Incubating & Hatching Eggs' started by justusnak, Apr 21, 2007.

  1. justusnak

    justusnak Flock Mistress

    Feb 28, 2007
    South Eastern Indiana
    I have Cochin Banty Frizzles...2 hens and a roo. Well....I was just wanting them because they are so darned cute.....and my grandson loves the " kid size eggs" Now, my question.....My hen decided to go broody..and is now on about 8 to 10 eggs...She layed them where I could not get to them. What can I expect from this hatch? Anyone? Doesnt matter really....but was just wondering..will they be frizzles or naked necks?
  2. silkiepjsg

    silkiepjsg In the Brooder

    Mar 19, 2007
    Altadena, Calif

    From what I know is that ideally you would want to breed the frizzel with a smooth feathered chicken. From that breeding you would get half frizzles, and half smooth feathers. When you breed two frizzles together, you hatch out 1/4 smooth, 1/2 frizzled, and 1/4 "super" frizzled, which looks like your poor chicken is missing some feathers, as it is a "frizzled frizzle", or a double dose of feathers gone haywire. You can see skin through the feathers, and they won't be able to fly, or sometimes even hop up to a perch.

    Either way I'm sure you'll love them just the same...

    I don't know where the naked necks come in....
    Maybe someone could enlighten me on that...
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  3. justusnak

    justusnak Flock Mistress

    Feb 28, 2007
    South Eastern Indiana
    My little bantys roost is only about 3 inches off the floor. They seem happy with that height. Hmmmm..super frizzled? Now I cant waite! About 18 days to go! [​IMG]
  4. aimee

    aimee Songster

    Feb 27, 2007
    Lake WaConDa, NE
    I have also heard that a "super frizzle" could have dry skin and other skin problems.
  5. Hi,
    Frizzle x Frizzle is not a good thing. You can expect a percentage of the offspring to look like this.


    Homozygous frizzles are frizzles with 2 copies of the frizzle gene F --- like from mating Frizzle x Frizzle.

    This was taken from Hutt's Genetics of the Fowl:

    " Secondary Effects of F.
    Since homozygous frizzles are usually more
    or less naked, except when a new coat of plumage has just been acquired,
    it is to be expected that loss of the normal insulation would cause some
    disturbances of the physiology in such birds. These have been studied in
    detail by Landauer and his associates.
    Benedict, Landauer, and Fox (1932) calculated that
    even at 28CC. the heat production of frizzles was greater than in normal
    fowls. At 170C. the difference was much more pronounced, and in some
    of the homozygous frizzles the heat produced was more than twice that
    of normal fowls. The loss of heat from the body surface in homozygous
    frizzles was partially offset by an abnormally low heat loss from vapori-
    zation of water, the amount of water thus lost being 30 to 35 gin. in 24
    hours per kilogram of body weight, compared with 50 to 56 gin. in normal
    fowls. The rectal temperatures of heterozygous frizzles did not differ
    from ~those of normal fowls, but at environmental temperatures below
    1500. the average rectal temperature for 10 homozygotes was slightly
    lower than in controls. One would naturally expect the homozygous
    frizzle fowls to eat more feed than normal ones in order to compensate
    for their extra heat loss, and some evidence was found that they do so.
    Other Effects.
    In mature, homozygous frizzles, the heart is larger and
    beats more rapidly than in normal fowls (Boas and Landauer, 1933,
    1934). The difference in females was 72 beats per minute, an increase
    of 27 per cent over the rate for normal fowls. It was attributed to the
    higher rate of metabolism in frizzles. Landauer and Upham (1936) found
    that in homozygous frizzles there was an increase over normal in the rela-
    tive weight of the heart, blood, spleen, kidneys, adrenals, pancreas, crop,
    and gizzard and in the relative capacity of the duodenum, small intes-
    tine, caeca, and large intestine."

    If this link works, you can go to page 107 and read more on frizzle genetics (and loads of other interesting chicken genetic stuff) .

    edited to add:
    Lol, they may be naked neck a great part of the time, but no relation to Naked Neck (Na) gene.

    Last edited: Apr 22, 2007
  6. justusnak

    justusnak Flock Mistress

    Feb 28, 2007
    South Eastern Indiana
    Oh that POOR BIRD!!!! Would I be right to cull such an unfortunate bird? Or can they live healthy happy lives? Awww, so sad!! Its so ugly...but cute too!
  7. My thinking is, and you didn't ask for my opinion, you should dispose of the eggs and fix the pen so they can't hide eggs anymore.

    If you want to hatch more frizzles, do it responsibly --- breed frizzle with smooth and keep your frizzle roos far away from your frizzle hens.
    Again, you didn't ask for my opinion, but that is it : )

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  8. Albanydog

    Albanydog Songster

    Nov 22, 2009
    Central Oregon Coast
    Quote:I was searching to find out about frizzled skin conditions, my frizzled rooster's skin is bright red on his lower half & legs and he has some black funk on his tail end. He has always been short on feathers and a bit ugly but this redness has him looking pretty sad. After reading your post I believe my "purebred" frizzled cochin rooster may be a super frizzled. He sleeps on the floor, can't use the roosts like our other chickens, though his roost is only about 8 inches off the floor. It sickens me to think someone would purposfully breed 2 frizzleds knowing they would get so many supers. I bought mine through a well known hatchery before I found out their purebreds are below par. I have "super" frizzle in quarantine while I figure out his skin condition. The flock and coops are regularly treated for mites and I have checked him closely and can't find any on him. He has never been a friendly bird, screams horribly when you hold him, so I am putting off giving him a bath. If anyone can point me to a site I can learn all about frizzles and his skin issues I would appreciate it. Thanks

    When you are talking about breeding frizzled to smooth feathered are you talking any smooth feathered chicken or a smooth feathered frizzled? I bought a variety of bantams over the winter and haven't gotten them all separated in their own coops yet, some are still roaming free range with the rest of our flock, about 100 chickens. I have 3 frizzled chickens, one super frizzled and the other 2 are a hen and a roo that just look like beautiful white cochins. I just want to make sure I don't get any super frizzles. The smooth roo is in a chicken tractor with 3 regular cochin hens. My frizzled hen just hatched out her first clutch but we chose the eggs when we realized she was broody and they could belong to anyone. We have had broody hens hatch out about 40 or so chicks so far this year and only one chick shows any frizzle, surprising since the Super Friz is the busiest rooster we have.
  9. teresa-78

    teresa-78 Songster

    Jun 24, 2010
    I had a super frizzled polish hen.. unknown to me until I joined this site.. she sadly did not live a year, and died.. she had red raw skin, always looked sickly, and had bleeding from the feathers regulary.. I would never hatch any eggs from a frizzled hen, and cockeral.. as it was heartbreaking watching my hen in pain [​IMG]
  10. NYRIR

    NYRIR Songster

    May 13, 2010
    Wow,I'm glad I read this thread!I just got 4 Black Cochin bantam Frizzles...I'm not sure yet who's what but if they are all roos..what would I get if I crossed a Frizzled roo with a Blue Cochin bantam? I am so happy the OP started this I was thinking I could breed 2 frizzles...I would have felt awful [​IMG]

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