frozen corn and carbohydrates in summer

[Folly's place]

It's a blog, and I'm not signing up.
She started mentioning feed, and what I hope she was talking about concerned feeding more than the 16% minimum protein layer diet, and going to a higher protein diet instead.
Fat birds aren't healthy birds, and are not going to do well in heat, in fact less well that the leaner Leghorn types.
Mary

 

[BlueBaby]

It may surprise you, but I occasionally give mine frozen corn as a treat in the summer. I live out here in the Arizona desert where the temp can reach 116-F. The frozen corn has not killed them. I have not lost even one of my flock to the heat this summer.

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

High starch grains are harder to digest because starch is very resistant to the digestive process. Can you provide some sources to validate your point?

Starch is NOT resistant to the digestive process.

I quickly gleaned this from a dated Poultry NRC:

Corn TME: 3470 Crude Fiber: 2.2
Oats TME: 2625 Crude Fiber: 10.8
Starch TME: 4070 Crude Fiber: 0.0

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

The high fats and carbs really aren’t the problem with corn, it’s the fact corn has a lot of calories but very little vitamins and such. They fill up on corn very quickly, so they aren’t interested in feed.

That is not what you said. Corn is a valuable source of energy for a chicken, it is easily digested and is a compliment to high amino acid feedstuffs like soybean meal, meat meal, etc.

 

[Jntnrmn]

I've been giving my chickens frozen corn as a treat in this hot weather, but my husband says they shouldn't have carbohydrates or corn in hot weather as it makes them hotter......is this true? I'd love to hear some educated opinions?

I freeze any melon rinds and fruit, squash ends and whatnot for my chickens in the summer. I also leave the hose on a trickle and they will stand in the pooling water.

 

[EggSighted4Life]

I’m trying to find a better source, but I’m tired and it’s not working very well. That’s just something I found that provided some information, but more sources should be used.

Tag me please when you do find other links as I misplace threads easily.

That was a good read from the chicken chick with lots of great suggestions for heat suppression during summer. I do enjoy most of her posts and find she has minimal things I disagree with comparatively to some other popular sites. Noting that she often uses Gail Damerow, again SOME good information, but not all.

Interestingly, she states part of the reason for not feeding treats is that raises body temperature via the action of movement to get the treats, Lol!

This is ONE of the many things I HAVE considered (sorry slightly off topic)... free ranging is alleged to save cost.. but free ranging requires energy to be used.. to um find more energy, ultimately. I'm not sure that free ranging saves me feed $. But my birds lives are definitely richer.

I read something that said fanning ourselves makes us hotter because of the movement.. BULL, if it's hot and I have a magazine or anything else I can fan myself with I will spend that energy for the added comfort I feel from the slight breeze..

The high fats and carbs really aren’t the problem with corn, it’s the fact corn has a lot of calories but very little vitamins and such. They fill up on corn very quickly, so they aren’t interested in feed.

This I agree with..

You should get some rest and come back refreshed since your post are being picked apart and you already expressed you're not at your best right this moment.

I'm a treat tightwad, a miser! But don't consider things found in the garden like melon rinds and berries treats.. that's forage.

I said it was high in carbs, which it is. Corn is filled with pretty much empty calories, like cake. It fills you up, but it doesn’t give you much nutrients. Feeding corn as a treat every once in awhile is okay, but you shouldn’t feed it often.

It's true corn is high in carbohydrates and despite actually having 7% protein is deficient in other nutrients and that by itself it is NOT an adequate feed for domestic chickens. But it NOT true that corn should not be fed everyday.. AS PART of a balanced ration.. whether your manufacturer uses wheat, corn, or other sources of carbohydrate energy.. is fine... I think you're trying to be helpful and protective of other flocks and it's just getting slightly twisted.

High starch grains are harder to digest because starch is very resistant to the digestive process. Can you provide some sources to validate your point?

This may be where some of the confusion is lying.. high FIBER grains digest slower than high starch grains.. I think might be what you meant??

 

[Ihavesomechickens]

Tag me please when you do find other links as I misplace threads easily.

That was a good read from the chicken chick with lots of great suggestions for heat suppression during summer. I do enjoy most of her posts and find she has minimal things I disagree with comparatively to some other popular sites. Noting that she often uses Gail Damerow, again SOME good information, but not all.

Interestingly, she states part of the reason for not feeding treats is that raises body temperature via the action of movement to get the treats, Lol!

This is ONE of the many things I HAVE considered (sorry slightly off topic)... free ranging is alleged to save cost.. but free ranging requires energy to be used.. to um find more energy, ultimately. I'm not sure that free ranging saves me feed $. But my birds lives are definitely richer.

I read something that said fanning ourselves makes us hotter because of the movement.. BULL, if it's hot and I have a magazine or anything else I can fan myself with I will spend that energy for the added comfort I feel from the slight breeze..


This I agree with..

You should get some rest and come back refreshed since your post are being picked apart and you already expressed you're not at your best right this moment.

I'm a treat tightwad, a miser! But don't consider things found in the garden like melon rinds and berries treats.. that's forage.


It's true corn is high in carbohydrates and despite actually having 7% protein is deficient in other nutrients and that by itself it is NOT an adequate feed for domestic chickens. But it NOT true that corn should not be fed everyday.. AS PART of a balanced ration.. whether your manufacturer uses wheat, corn, or other sources of carbohydrate energy.. is fine... I think you're trying to be helpful and protective of other flocks and it's just getting slightly twisted.


This may be where some of the confusion is lying.. high FIBER grains digest slower than high starch grains.. I think might be what you meant??

Yeah, that’s what I meant. I’m very tired and frustrated right now, so I can’t think properly. I’ll look for some better sources, but it’s hard to find them nowadays.

 

[Ihavesomechickens]

@EggSighted4Life
Here are some sources I found. The first picture is from a government agriculture extension website, and the other picture is from Purina’s website.
https://ask.extension.org/questions/310101

And now I’m getting mad at myself for doing HRT for most of my life so I would be a real girl, just to get period symptoms and no blood, so I am going to go lay down.

 

[GC-Raptor]

@EggSighted4Life
Here are some sources I found. The first picture is from a government agriculture extension website, and the other picture is from Purina’s website.
https://ask.extension.org/questions/310101
View attachment 2264446View attachment 2264447
And now I’m getting mad at myself for doing HRT for most of my life so I would be a real girl, just to get period symptoms and no blood, so I am going to go lay down.

Yes, in the summer when egg production drops, I cut the daily Scratch Grains treat in half and offer a wet mash made with their regular feed and cold water, early afternoons.

Today's treat served in the shade. GC

 

[EggSighted4Life]

@EggSighted4Life
Here are some sources I found. The first picture is from a government agriculture extension website, and the other picture is from Purina’s website.
https://ask.extension.org/questions/310101
View attachment 2264446View attachment 2264447
And now I’m getting mad at myself for doing HRT for most of my life so I would be a real girl, just to get period symptoms and no blood, so I am going to go lay down.

Taken from your link..

"Corn itself does not raise a chicken's body temperature. It is a carbohydrate source providing energy to the chicken's body. There is an increased energy need during the winter"

What I mean is when you see a study.. something more scientific, where they used hundreds or thousands of chickens groups fed different things like wheat, corn, etc and check the core body temperature of the birds before and after eating the different feeds for comparison. Until then my reasonable deduction tell me that core body temperature is not raised by eating corn.

We ALL have one issue or another and many things we kick our own back ends for.. And yes hormones make us and our young cockerels (teenage kids) and more crazy. Please start another thread about it if you like to try and rally some support.. since it's WAY off topic here.
Oh, and quit your bellyaching and take it like woman! (Friendly poke)