Game-fowl crossbreeds

[stuckinthecity]

Hey i was wondering if anyone could give me info about gamefowl based cross bred chickens. Right now i live in the city with 6 red star hens and 1 EE hen, but we will soon live at my grandparents house. (hopefully) And I have been studying chickens and genetics. I really do enjoy the RIR, and their laying capabilities, but I also really like the standard old english game fowl. Does anyone have any pictures of maybe a game X RIR, or game X BO? What I am trying to breed is a large fowl that will set often. I know theres the BO or Silver Grey Dorking for that, but i wanted to see what this cross would make.
thanks guys,

 

[mjjobbins]

That would be neat to see. Sorry i don't have any pics. I did read an article in mother Earth News by Harvey Ussery about a oeg x dorking cross he was experimenting with. I'll try to find the article.

 

[DTchickens]

large fowl that would set often would be Game>BO i think.. most F1 game>production fowl come out with a game look...but are usually more bulky then the games and lose the game personality (Not always though).. other then that i can't so much more without knowing colors, and such like that..

 

[stuckinthecity]

Oh yes, I read the article in Backyard Poultry about Harvey. I think his birds are great, im just trying to experiment with game X rir or buff

And DTchickens, if a grey OEG cock is bred to a red colored large hen, would the females be white or cream with red blotches? I have seen 3 of these hens before at a trade day, and the man said they were his "best sitters" he had.

 

[DTchickens]

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most of the grey games are dominate over other colors, So i would expect a grey unless bred with a white or something dominate like that..

 

[prariechiken]

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most of the grey games are dominate over other colors, So i would expect a grey unless bred with a white or something dominate like that..

Grey or "duckwing" is dominant to the BBred color pattern. Where it gets confusing is when the greys have been crossed with reds, thus the offspring can throw throwback reds as long as neither parent is a full grey. We had brahma and RIR crossed with games, other than being bulkier than their pure siblings and colored with production influence, they were still quite game (broody). Let me see if we still have some pics......

 

[stuckinthecity]

Exactly what I want, is a more bulkier game hen...well pretty much.
I mean I will use them as my incubators pretty much. Im probably (if everything works out) never going to use a incubator as long as I have my silkie X games and my "bulky game hens" to hatch the eggs. Plus, I think its a whole lot more natural to do it this way. Check out this youtube video and watch untill the end when the last 2 red birds come up to "say hi" as the lady thinks. They look like gamey- RIRs. Which is pretty much what I want-Is a heavier red hen that will sit often, lay pretty good. And for the rooster, be heavy enough to eat, have a beautiful, long tail(OEG tributes) but not be as prone to fight as the pure games. So you see, I do want to keep most of the game blood in them, just lower the fighting instinct, and increase egg production.

check the video out:

 

[stuckinthecity]

And I would LOVE to see those pictures prariechiken

 

[DTchickens]

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most of the grey games are dominate over other colors, So i would expect a grey unless bred with a white or something dominate like that..

Grey or "duckwing" is dominant to the BBred color pattern. Where it gets confusing is when the greys have been crossed with reds, thus the offspring can throw throwback reds as long as neither parent is a full grey. We had brahma and RIR crossed with games, other than being bulkier than their pure siblings and colored with production influence, they were still quite game (broody). Let me see if we still have some pics......

yeah, that's true.. Just saying grey is pretty dominate over everything except white i've found, because i've crossed them with near everything and got some "Shade" of grey,

Silver or golden "duckwing" (grey) over BBred or wheaten colored- Golden duckwing colored, Though i've seen some where the silver was really strong and they didn't throw any goldens. (and usually holds until you breed back to the reds 5/8ths.. i believe that's the right math that comes after 3/4ths... right?) mainly it depends on how much red the grey already holds.

Grey> black- Birchen, dark grey, and mealy grey.

Grey>blue- Grey blue, coming all different sorts of colors. (with grey, but some had blue breasts, other's blue spots.. and lots of stuff like that)

and then the grey>whites i had came out as white/blue chicks... maturing as hen's that were white with red stripes on each side of the neck, and stags that were tall and had blue specks.. some looked like a blue dominque color i guess you could say and had some golden duckwing feathers sprouting randomly here and there..

After the hens molted they came out solid white.. the cockerels (stags) didn't change though..

This was in american gamefowl, often mistaken for Old english's.. But i would guess you probably could get the same thing from breeding the colors..

Lines used in this were, Kelso, Ruble hatch, Mcrae (with a touch of mug), Ible grey, Bumblefoot greys, Larry romero greys, White kelso, and a hatch grey (some Doc robinson hatch, the grey i have no idea... this was used to create the Grey>whites.. the white was of course.. white kelso) So most were a golden colored grey. Reason i named the lines is you might could do a google images search or something and find the colors.. or go Here: https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=106767


Another interesting thing to cross- White silkie (rooster) over a black game hen... they came out small, only a little bigger then the silkie. Colors that came from it was, Birchen, Mealy grey, Brown red, and a white with black specks all over (don't know the name for this color)

 

[stuckinthecity]

so... do we have the pics of the game crosses?