Game rooster behavior and fighting

[ElizaMay]

I have seen videos where people have a lot of aggressive roosters, where they are tethered by a small band around their ankle, on a pin in the ground, sort of like how people will tether goats by their halter to a stake, then move it around.
The roosters seemed fairly content. I don't know anthing about them, or ifthois is an acceptable method. It sort of reminded me of the little fighting fish, each had their own 'bowl' area.

 

[roosterhavoc]

Their name translated is Liege fighters. Liege is the city in Belgium they are from. Big roo doesn't fight unless challenged that I've ever seen, actually today was the 1st time I've ever seen him fight. Everytime he's been challenged he sends them running and the fight is over. Friendly to humans and usually takes a seat beside me when I sit outside. Part of the reason I got them was an Asian breed was originally used to create them so they are friendlier to humans than usual game (supposedly). Everything I've read about the breed seems to be true with him.

The "problem child" from the new batch is a different story as of today where other roosters are concerned. I'm pretty sure he's going to be dinner but he can sit a few days in the side coop and see what happens. It just struck me weird the all of a sudden change to attack, send them running, chase them down, tackle and repeat and as soon as I stepped between them he immediately turned and run full steam to attack another rooster 30ft away. Idk maybe he was just pissed we got like 5" of rain this morning and the whole yard was standing water

You should have stated what they were from the beginning which would have prevented a lot of confusion. They’re not the same as American Gamefowl.

 

[Nashv755]

Your welcome, and you do have my apologies as well. They are handsome.

You mention that you have a breed that is supposed have a lot of the "game" bred out of them and now I think I see where you're coming from. Reading back over your initial post, as well as, glancing quickly at your posting history, I see what you mean and realize that I made a mistake. I was quite confused when you were disappointed that your "game birds" were fighting. Now I understand a bit more, I think.
You're wanting "non game" game birds. I'm going to go out on a limb here make the assumption you are referring to the Liege Fighters you have. So, if you are finding that one is too aggressive for your liking, then culling would be warranted. A funny thing is they taste like chicken, cull young and have a nice meal. Let the others grow out and see how they do. Colors are pretty, but it sounds like your main focus is on behavioral traits. I think we can agree, they are handsome birds, but if handsome doesn't meet your criteria, then cull and focus on the next 2-3 birds until you see what you are wanting.

Many folks keep a mix of breeds in a flock, quite a few here on BYC keep multiple roosters together, but I know of no one that keeps Game Gamefowl roosters together. It just doesn't pan out. Birds will kill one another, that's a fact.

Again. I will say it again - No, I personally know of no measures that would curb "Gameness" except for penning or culling.

And if the "kill it before it grows" remark it directed at me, then fair enough, but I would like to know why you think that?

Thank you, Yea I'm pretty sure he'll be dinner. Like I said I have a pair from another breeder and "big roo" has never chased after another rooster that backed down much less immediately turned in a full sprint attack on another rooster halfway across the yard the split second I stepped between them. I know my birds personalities fairly well and haven't seen that behavior before and came out of nowhere. Unfortunately the original pair both have leg or hip problems so I don't want to use them for breeding hence why I got some from another breeder. Not sure if it is genetic or eggs being scrambled in shipping.

I meant to post these with my previous comment so I'll post it here. Big roo with 2 phoenix pullets and a barred rock hen, 2nd pic further proof he's just a "big" puppy dog with wings

 

[Tankueray]

And if the "kill it before it grows" remark it directed at me, then fair enough, but I would like to know why you think that?

It wasn't directed at you or anyone specifically. I've seen gamefowl keepers bullied if they stray outside of their thread since I joined. And I see a new general attitude creeping over this forum that disturbs me. (I have half a dozen draft articles started in my hard drive because of the bad advice and misinformation I see.) There are a handful of people that are regularly called upon to answer questions and more and more their answers are based on their beliefs and feelings and not by reading or understanding the full content, and they bulldoze anyone that else that tries to help (as in, "I'm here now, no further remarks from the peasants."). Mostly I try to ignore it, but a few things I've seen recently have been dangerous. Others read that content and take it as gospel, and then repeat it later as if they were the expert, and those are the ones I usually can't help but call out. The number of children on here that commenters either don't realize or won't admit are children, and the bad advice they're getting, is also quite disturbing. I avoid the Facebook group like the plague because of how horrid it is, and that is bleeding over here at an alarming rate.

This used to be a place where we could disagree and still be on the same team, helping whoever needs it. I appreciate that you're still one of those people, but there are some that seem to think their badges and awards make them unquestionable, or maybe exempt them from having to pay attention to the entire context before laying out their answer. And they attack anyone who would dare to question them. I always know when I've pissed one of them off, because within about an hour, somewhere else I am on the forum, usually in an off-topic area, a moderator takes some action to ensure I know I'm being monitored. I've even had three of them show up at once! I must be really dangerous.

 

[Tankueray]

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I was going to ask whether I saw a crele pattern in there or not, apparently I did. They are awesome. I was looking at your "nice" black and the pullets in the photo with him when I assumed they were mugs. I think they'd pass for them unless they're out of standard for size or something.
Man, I don't know if I'm more in love with your birds or how well your camera captures color.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

Unfortunately the original pair both have leg or hip problems so I don't want to use them for breeding hence why I got some from another breeder. Not sure if it is genetic or eggs being scrambled in shipping.

It wasn't directed at you or anyone specifically. I've seen gamefowl keepers bullied if they stray outside of their thread since I joined. And I see a new general attitude creeping over this forum that disturbs me.

That's a shame about the leg and hip problems. Hopefully the cockerels you have now will be healthier in the long run.

Interesting. I keep American Gamefowl myself and haven't felt bullied. Great birds. Very misunderstood.

As for minors, there are quite a few here on BYC. Minors aren't allowed to disclose age, so generally no one knows the age of the person they are discussing an issue with on a thread unless there's some clues.

 

[Tankueray]

Interesting. I keep American Gamefowl myself and haven't felt bullied. Great birds. Very misunderstood.

If you know your history, I live near where Mike Ratliff ran his school. There's a lot about it currently that I don't like, but as a scientist I cannot deny its existence. In person and online, some of the most professional, respectful, and caring breeders I have met have been gamefowl breeders. Some of the most entitled and mean have been backyard puppy farm and show breeders. The difference in the way they house and treat their birds is amazing. If I could send PETA undercover to some backyard breeders, they'd campaign to ban all private ownership of chickens. (Okay, they've probably already done that.)

As for minors, there are quite a few here on BYC. Minors aren't allowed to disclose age, so generally no one knows the age of the person they are discussing an issue with on a thread unless there's some clues.

But see, that's precisely the problem. I've watched threads where a kid is changing their story as it goes along so as not to get into trouble or whyever kids do that, and the forum experts either don't pick up on it or purposely ignore it, ignore or attack anyone that points out the story inconsistencies, and continue on with their superhero rescue fantasy without taking the truth seriously. I've run across careless ignorance of evidence of serious disease and even something I suspect was a kid hurting their chicken for attention. We need to be teaching children responsible animal care instead of allowing them to absolve their guilt when they're told it's not their fault and given virtual hugs and attention after a death that was clearly caused by their neglect or intentional mistreatment.

 

[roosterhavoc]

If you know your history, I live near where Mike Ratliff ran his school. There's a lot about it currently that I don't like, but as a scientist I cannot deny its existence. In person and online, some of the most professional, respectful, and caring breeders I have met have been gamefowl breeders. Some of the most entitled and mean have been backyard puppy farm and show breeders. The difference in the way they house and treat their birds is amazing. If I could send PETA undercover to some backyard breeders, they'd campaign to ban all private ownership of chickens. (Okay, they've probably already done that.)

But see, that's precisely the problem. I've watched threads where a kid is changing their story as it goes along so as not to get into trouble or whyever kids do that, and the forum experts either don't pick up on it or purposely ignore it, ignore or attack anyone that points out the story inconsistencies, and continue on with their superhero rescue fantasy without taking the truth seriously. I've run across careless ignorance of evidence of serious disease and even something I suspect was a kid hurting their chicken for attention. We need to be teaching children responsible animal care instead of allowing them to absolve their guilt when they're told it's not their fault and given virtual hugs and attention after a death that was clearly caused by their neglect or intentional mistreatment.

You’re spewing an awful lot of misinformation, especially for a scientist.

 

[Tankueray]

Unfortunately the original pair both have leg or hip problems so I don't want to use them for breeding hence why I got some from another breeder. Not sure if it is genetic or eggs being scrambled in shipping.

Do you happen to have a detailed record for that incubation data? We might be able to help determine if it's genetic or not. Hip problems in most animals tend to lean on the genetics side, curled toes and slipped tendons (except some breeds) tend to be more about incubation. Not that I'd recommend using them anyway unless they had some exceptional features that those disabilities would be worth the effort of working out, but if you'd like to try to find out, I'm willing to give it a shot.

You’re spewing an awful lot of misinformation, especially for a scientist.

Ah, the ad hominem attack. I'm really making the big time now!

 

[roosterhavoc]

Do you happen to have a detailed record for that incubation data? We might be able to help determine if it's genetic or not. Hip problems in most animals tend to lean on the genetics side, curled toes and slipped tendons (except some breeds) tend to be more about incubation. Not that I'd recommend using them anyway unless they had some exceptional features that those disabilities would be worth the effort of working out, but if you'd like to try to find out, I'm willing to give it a shot.


Ah, the ad hominem attack. I'm really making the big time now!

Not quite but you’re getting close. Please go on I’m learning so much.