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Did you read that page on Phoenix vs Onadagori? It makes it sound that having the heterozygous Mt gene is what slows down the Phoenix in the long feathering, but there is also a fast growing gene and a slow growing feathering gene as well. Reeder says if you have the time to wait on your roosters, having the slow feathering is not a problem and doesn't take muscling away from the bird, he sounds as if he prefers that. I guess fast feathering comes at the expense of muscling on the skeletal structure.
Reading that really makes me wonder how many Phoenix are out there that are homozygous for the mt gene, and if those do better at poultry shows? I wish GHF were able to be shown. I really used to enjoy showing birds when I was younger. I would still enjoy it now!!
 
Were the males pretty territorial with you? I haven't seen that much with those I had. They were regular sized, not bantams.
Not at all. They would rather I don't bother them, but I have never had them so much as flare at me. And when I do manage to catch them, they may give a single, annoyed growl, but then they just put up with being looked at.
No, I try to put the best possible spin on this, but they are livestock more than pets and any that don't make it were not meant to be part of my breeding programs. I feel like I have made significant progress with several of my more intensive projects, like recreating Welbars from RC Punnett's work, and improving the line of Rees Legbar I got from Greenfire (bluer eggs, non-aggressive males, better longevity of laying). In those 2 projects especially, I have produced large numbers and culled heavily to get where I am today.

I don't mean to seem uncaring, but when a bird falls ill, it can be a kindness to kill it quickly.
Okay. I just wasn't sure because I know a few things can cause the wasting and wasn't sure if you had an idea on if it was genetics or something else.
I justified t really like the look of him, and the dense feathering. There is such a variety in Red Pyle from chicken breed to chicken breed, some with super distinct markings, other marked in coloration like a Red Shouldered Yokahamas with just a couple of patches but still considered Red Pyle. I wish they had picked a different name for the pattern than Red Pyle, though! 😅 A name like Scarlet Scimitar or something flashy like that!🙄
My mom just calls him Rusty 🤣
 
When do you start taking orders, do you have to sign up for GHF in advance?
I hate tracking waiting lists and getting prepaid orders, but it may be better than what I did this year. I had several people that expressed interest in chicks, then when I could see I was going to have a good hatch, I contacted them about payment and ---- nothing.
I had to keep that group and raise them because I can only ship them in a brief window. I stopped setting eggs then and THEN the people contact me later asking for chicks.
I can't force them to lay fertile eggs on a schedule and need people to either prepay in advance and accept shipment anytime, or be able to give me a decision when I contact them.
It seems like April and May are good times to hatch and ship. Probably later for people in cold states and April for Florida and Texas.
I don't really like to accept payments much in advance, in case I have issues beyond my control. With modern payment systems like Venmo and PayPal, purchases can happen very close to hatch time, which I prefer because I don't feel like I "owe" chicks to people I might not be able to supply.
I eat most of the eggs the GHF lay, simply because the demand is not there. I will certainly work with you about dates, but of course I need advance notice to collect and incubate unless you happen to contact me when I have a batch incubating already.
 
No, I try to put the best possible spin on this, but they are livestock more than pets and any that don't make it were not meant to be part of my breeding programs. I feel like I have made significant progress with several of my more intensive projects, like recreating Welbars from RC Punnett's work, and improving the line of Rees Legbar I got from Greenfire (bluer eggs, non-aggressive males, better longevity of laying). In those 2 projects especially, I have produced large numbers and culled heavily to get where I am today.

I don't mean to seem uncaring, but when a bird falls ill, it can be a kindness to kill it quickly.
It really is better in the long run to select for hardiness; everything follows on the heels of that. Nursing along sickly birds and then breeding them ends up being deleterious to the whole flock. I think you are on the right track doing that, and I wish more people would do the same.
 
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I hate tracking waiting lists and getting prepaid orders, but it may be better than what I did this year. I had several people that expressed interest in chicks, then when I could see I was going to have a good hatch, I contacted them about payment and ---- nothing.
I had to keep that group and raise them because I can only ship them in a brief window. I stopped setting eggs then and THEN the people contact me later asking for chicks.
I can't force them to lay fertile eggs on a schedule and need people to either prepay in advance and accept shipment anytime, or be able to give me a decision when I contact them.
It seems like April and May are good times to hatch and ship. Probably later for people in cold states and April for Florida and Texas.
I don't really like to accept payments much in advance, in case I have issues beyond my control. With modern payment systems like Venmo and PayPal, purchases can happen very close to hatch time, which I prefer because I don't feel like I "owe" chicks to people I might not be able to supply.
I eat most of the eggs the GHF lay, simply because the demand is not there. I will certainly work with you about dates, but of course I need advance notice to collect and incubate unless you happen to contact me when I have a batch incubating already.
Do you ever consider selling hatching eggs? Or is that just not worth the hassle to you?
 
It really is better in the long run to select for hardiness; everything follows on the eels of that. Nursing along sickly birds and then breeding them ends up being deleterious to the whole flock. I think you are on the right track doing that, and I wish more people would do the same.
For years, I avoided vaccinating for Marek's and still many breeders I know do not - in the hope of developing resistance. I'm not convinced I was making progress and customers were losing birds to it, and I knew how to prevent that, so now I vaccinate. It has cut mortality among my breeders. Perhaps I am allowing for weaker birds to prosper, but true genetic resistance to Marek's is a way off I believe.
 
I hate tracking waiting lists and getting prepaid orders, but it may be better than what I did this year. I had several people that expressed interest in chicks, then when I could see I was going to have a good hatch, I contacted them about payment and ---- nothing.
I had to keep that group and raise them because I can only ship them in a brief window. I stopped setting eggs then and THEN the people contact me later asking for chicks.
I can't force them to lay fertile eggs on a schedule and need people to either prepay in advance and accept shipment anytime, or be able to give me a decision when I contact them.
It seems like April and May are good times to hatch and ship. Probably later for people in cold states and April for Florida and Texas.
I don't really like to accept payments much in advance, in case I have issues beyond my control. With modern payment systems like Venmo and PayPal, purchases can happen very close to hatch time, which I prefer because I don't feel like I "owe" chicks to people I might not be able to supply.
I eat most of the eggs the GHF lay, simply because the demand is not there. I will certainly work with you about dates, but of course I need advance notice to collect and incubate unless you happen to contact me when I have a batch incubating already.
When I raised canaries, it was like that every single year; right at February there would be this rash of orders for hens, and the people would not buy them earlier than that. I always came up short for hens, since I didn't want to over winter that many, because we used to go on longer trips for a week or so, and its hard to find someone to take care of birds properly, whether indoor or outdoor birds. I would always come back with this dread in the pit of my stomach. it was really stresssful, people do not know what a healthy vs unhealthy bird looks like, or they forget to go give them water, or didn't know how to check for shelled seed. I ended up going to straight pellets on the indoor birds, no seeds, because of that shelling problem. it is the same with chickens. I bet when you walk in and see chickens, you can tell right away who is healthy, who is struggling, but most people have not a clue. They think a fluffy bird hunched in a corner is " cute" because it is fluffed up.
 
Do you ever consider selling hatching eggs? Or is that just not worth the hassle to you?
I have shipped eggs, using several methods, and the results were highly variable, but more bad than good. I lose some chick shipments also, but not nearly as many. I try to price the eggs and chicks to reflect my efforts to pack/hatch and ship, and chicks work out to be a much better deal if you really want a breeding group of something. My lines of GHF are sexable at hatch, so I can be sure you get a balanced group that will make nice breeders and have some extra males to allow you to choose which to breed with.
 
I have shipped eggs, using several methods, and the results were highly variable, but more bad than good. I lose some chick shipments also, but not nearly as many. I try to price the eggs and chicks to reflect my efforts to pack/hatch and ship, and chicks work out to be a much better deal if you really want a breeding group of something. My lines of GHF are sexable at hatch, so I can be sure you get a balanced group that will make nice breeders and have some extra males to allow you to choose which to breed with.
Okay. I tend towards eggs just because it's usually safer because of mareks. But you do have a go point about breeding group size being easier with buying chicks
 
Were the males pretty territorial with you? I haven't seen that much with those I had. They were regular sized, not bantams.
I think I hit gold with these Alsdorf birds. My original male turned mean, but I think I caused that by treating him with too much deference. NONE of his descendants have show any tendencies to fight with me or each other. I try to raise the males together from a young age, so they don't get a rival dumped into the pen suddenly.
Not every male has perfect feathers, but none look like they have been picked at. I even have a male that is blind in one eye (infection that I did not treat in time) and he has great feathers.
Can you tell I love my GHF?
 

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