Genetics of spangling and lacing for dummies

[sjarvis00]

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Wheaton Based

will need to get a pic of teh birchen pullets

 

[nicalandia]

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Wheaton Based
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/30249_sany1197.jpg

will need to get a pic of teh birchen pullets

that looks like birchen natural lacing(black body with white lacing)

lacing on Er is possible with Er/Er Co/Co Db/Db Pg/Pg Ml/Ml

and laced Cornish are believed to be based on Wheaten.. but that's the only wheaten laced bird I know of

 

[sjarvis00]

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Wheaton Based
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/30249_sany1197.jpg

will need to get a pic of teh birchen pullets

that looks like birchen natural lacing(black body with white lacing)

lacing on Er is possible with Er/Er Co/Co Db/Db Pg/Pg Ml/Ml

and laced Cornish are believed to be based on Wheaten.. but that's the only wheaten laced bird I know of

This was from Columbian Old English, I hatched several cockrells like this from one particular mating that I broke up, the cock nor hen produced this with any other bird and were not directly related. I do have Birchen OE pullets that were from a male line selected for heavy color in hackle and saddle so the pullets are now showing lacing.

 

[nicalandia]

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that looks like birchen natural lacing(black body with white lacing)

lacing on Er is possible with Er/Er Co/Co Db/Db Pg/Pg Ml/Ml

and laced Cornish are believed to be based on Wheaten.. but that's the only wheaten laced bird I know of

This was from Columbian Old English, I hatched several cockrells like this from one particular mating that I broke up, the cock nor hen produced this with any other bird and were not directly related. I do have Birchen OE pullets that were from a male line selected for heavy color in hackle and saddle so the pullets are now showing lacing.

so is he birchen or wheaten.. sorry didnt get you

 

[sjarvis00]

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This was from Columbian Old English, I hatched several cockrells like this from one particular mating that I broke up, the cock nor hen produced this with any other bird and were not directly related. I do have Birchen OE pullets that were from a male line selected for heavy color in hackle and saddle so the pullets are now showing lacing.

so is he birchen or wheaten.. sorry didnt get you

that Picture is wheaton based Columbian, I do not have a pic of the Birchen, as it appears to limited to teh pullets.

 

[nicalandia]

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seems melanotic is also pressent as that chick look very dark..

 

[sjarvis00]

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seems melanotic is also pressent as that chick look very dark..

he was very dark, the lacing was great though. I will admit they were odd and very un-expected from mating a columbian to a columbian. needless to say I no longer have his mother, I had a great deal of color culls that all went back to her. His father is a great well proven breeder, with several remaining hens.

 

[Kev]

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You are having a problem with lacing in Birchen? I have two pullets that are finely laced throughout thier body with the exception of wing and tail primaries. they are young and soon to be mated back to thier father. Are you working LF or Bantam?

We may have our wires crossed- my goal is single lace on ER: Co/Co, Ml/Ml, Pg/Pg, Db/Db, same as on sebrights. I want the laced tails on large fowl. As far as I know, all single laced large fowl are on eb- laced body with black tails(wyandottes, brahmas).

On birds with suspected(admittedly a very novice guess on my part) ER/eWh Co/Co Ml/Ml Pg/Pg Db/Db they are almost solid white with faint, pencil thin lacing on feathers.(it doesn't look good) Otherwise I have no idea why they would be so white.. Some other birds would show fair/not so great lacing on wings/back but their breasts would be so light, with very minimal lacing was guessing those were wheaten carriers too..

 

[Kev]

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Wheaton Based
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/30249_sany1197.jpg

will need to get a pic of teh birchen pullets

That's interesting, I see chicks similar to that- except the different kind of lacing(white center, black edge).

I've seen impressively "white laced" birchens come out of free range clutches in the past. They were normal birchens but with lots of white edging to the feathers over much of their body. Is that what you're dealing with? That chick of yours had a whole lot more white lacing than any of mine did though.

 

[sjarvis00]

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Wheaton Based
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/30249_sany1197.jpg

will need to get a pic of teh birchen pullets

That's interesting, I see chicks similar to that- except the different kind of lacing(white center, black edge).

I've seen impressively "white laced" birchens come out of free range clutches in the past. They were normal birchens but with lots of white edging to the feathers over much of their body. Is that what you're dealing with? That chick of yours had a whole lot more white lacing than any of mine did though.

That Picture is a wheaton based Columbian, I had worked on darkening underdown and got some of these as a result. I took partridge based columbian crossed over wheaton and breed to get rid of teh appearance of the periodic partridge pattern in teh females while retaining good hackle and saddle in the male basically creating a line of wild type silver wheaton shown as Columbian.

My male line birchen pullets are laced fairly similar to him. The males are outstanding though.