Ginger Red And Opal Colors?

[nicalandia]

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I have no Idea, I may find out if I run a F1xF1 like normal, I am interested to see if it will develop a wing bay myself.

Here is some additional photos to document the cross with Rec. white. The first is the Opal male that was used, second was the resulting F1 male, then F2 Male, F3 Male, and F4 male. Only line breeding was used with the cross to close it from other influences.

thanks for the pics... seeing how Opal work almost like recessive white(I believe it to be an allele of it) I dought you will get a wing bay color at all

 

[TShelton54]

Sjarvis The recessive whie cross was done by Ron Smith. Recessive white can carry so many different genes hidden your results may not be typical. It all depends on what strain of recessive white you used. Some strains may even come with barring, and some strains can even carry dominant white. TShelton54 PS Ron also crossed with BB Red (e+e+) and got Brassy Back, Brown Red and dark legged BB Red.

 

[nicalandia]

Sjarvis The recessive whie cross was done by Ron Smith. Recessive white can carry so many different genes hidden your results may not be typical. It all depends on what strain of recessive white you used. Some strains may even come with barring, and some strains can even carry dominant white. TShelton54 PS Ron also crossed with BB Red (e+e+) and got Brassy Back, Brown Red and dark legged BB Red.

I´m still not convinced by dominant white allelic hearsays

 

[sjarvis00]

Sjarvis The recessive whie cross was done by Ron Smith. Recessive white can carry so many different genes hidden your results may not be typical. It all depends on what strain of recessive white you used. Some strains may even come with barring, and some strains can even carry dominant white. TShelton54 PS Ron also crossed with BB Red (e+e+) and got Brassy Back, Brown Red and dark legged BB Red.

Tim,
I understand your position here, I often avoid such debates with folks especially related to this particular color. I have undoubtedly followed a different breeding practice than Ron has and do believe that we have two diverged flocks that result in the same phenotype at completion. Based on breeding results I have had I firmly believe we are dealing with different genotypes between the two flocks, and know from direct experience of others in this area that the two do not really cross back with each other real well in the F1 generation although they result in the same phenotype as both parents. I have made some additional matings to introduce the color to another breed using a variety from that breed that Ron claims to have used in OE I also had a different result from that mating than he had noted, however I do not know what was used in his matings.
I really have little to no interest in a debate about this myself or breeding practices as far as that goes, I now my flock, what they produce and how they breed and that is good enough for me.

 

[nicalandia]

I have made some additional matings to introduce the color to another breed

Sjarvis how is the Opal Phoenix longtail goin?

 

[sjarvis00]

Sjarvis how is the Opal Phoenix longtail goin?

It is coming along well, The F1 generation should be laying by mid Oct. as are the Rosecomb and bantam wyandotte. I am truly looking forward to them all.

 

[nicalandia]

It is coming along well, The F1 generation should be laying by mid Oct. as are the Rosecomb and bantam wyandotte. I am truly looking forward to them all.

me too....!!!

 

[NanaKat]

Will be following those breedings with interest.

 

[Henk69]

NO, I did not mean recessive white as Opal is even recessive to recessive white. Opal has not been shown to be allelic to recessive white, and when crossed with recessive white the F1 generation is BLACK. When crossed for the F2 the results were 50% black 25% White and 25% Opal. TShelton54

Whose findings were these?

 

[TShelton54]

Opal needs to be crossed with the dun gene to establish an allelic relatonship with the dominant white family. This would be th best way as a true dominant white line can carry so many hypostatic genes including recessive white. If Opal really is allelic to I Dominant white it is also allelic to ID Dun. TShelton54