Glyphosate in Chicken Feed- Should I be concerned or not?

[Kenya Mwangi]

Responded to that in greater detail HERE.

My posts are long enough already without trying to both anticipate every potential objection AND squeeze them into a half hour lunch!

Particularly on subjects where the average BYCer appears to have limited background knowledge, no personal expertise, and there are great differences in understanding of the base sciences.

Hello "...it is unequivocal that exposure to glyphosate, alone or in commercial formulations, can produce important alterations in the structure and function of the nervous system of humans, rodents, fish, and invertebrate animals."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9101768/

 

[U_Stormcrow]

Hello "...it is unequivocal that exposure to glyphosate, alone or in commercial formulations, can produce important alterations in the structure and function of the nervous system of humans, rodents, fish, and invertebrate animals."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9101768/

Hello. As I have repeatedly said. DOSAGE matters.

I've also read the entire article. Reread parts of it. It doesn't support the IARC conclusion, either. My risk analysis remains unchanged.

 

[Kenya Mwangi]

My risk analysis remains unchanged.

Hello That would be a cool thing to put on a tombstone.

 

[Shadrach]

Speaking as a cranky old lady here. There's nothing new about being exposed to dangerous stuff! In those 'good old days', lead, mercury, DDT, other products too numerous to mention. How about TB, plague, smallpox, other fun diseases? Way more food poisoning, diagnosed less often, but there.
Our life expectancy is twice what it was not so long ago.
Modern agriculture has it's flaws, but in those 'good old days', way fewer people were fed.
Mary

I live in a city (Bristol UK) as you may know. They've done a lot to clean up the air here over the past ten years or so. So much so that when an old petrol vehicle goes buy I can smell the exhaust fumes. We used to breathe that crap in all day long.
Our trade jobs were killing us through injuries and sicknesses directly related to the materials handled; asbestos, fine metal particles in the air, spray products, degreaser fumes and one that often gets overlooked, deafness. Meanwhile, we got introduced to the perfect products, particulalry in food; just so oranges that get scaned for colour, uniform apples etc etc. I wont go on, your in the elderly age range like myself I believe.
Most people had no idea how the industries produced the quantity and seeming quality of the food we could pick up at these large stores called supermarkets here in the UK and I don't recal anyone caring much either.

What's different now is information access and public awareness, but more importantly in more recent times, how this "information" is presented to us.
Most days one can find a journalists report on a study where they've found something in a foodstuff that isn't good for one. Diets; they're big business, not much healthy in most of the commercial products involved in that industry. Sometimes although increasingly rarely I'll study the study. Most times the journalist reporting of the study is wildly alarmist; click bait essentially.
The vegan foods over here are 90% garbage. Better in some other countries apparently.

If I kept all these reports and crossed the produce off my shopping list I honestly don't think I could put together a sustainable and healthy diet out of what was left.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

Hello That would be a cool thing to put on a tombstone.

It would be, yes.

However, that isn't responsive to issues being discussed.

The quote you highlighted from the article's conclusion is equally applicable to, well, pretty much everything one ingests. Change "nervous" to "dermal" and its pretty much applicable to everything we come in contact with, given enough time and adequate concentration. Even sunlight.

That's why risk assessment matters.

but while we are in a morbid mood, you know know what else would be a cool thig to put on a tombstone?

"Avoided all Risk. It killed me."

 

[Sally PB]

As you say, @U_Stormcrow, nobody gets out of here alive.

 

[Kenya Mwangi]

Change "nervous" to "dermal" and its pretty much applicable to everything we come in contact with, given enough time and adequate concentration. Even sunlight.

Hello How about don't change it to make misleading statements. But since you changed I'll respond..

I'd rather be bathed in sunlight than glyphosate? How about you?

 

[Kenya Mwangi]

"Avoided all Risk. It killed me."

Hello Nah, doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

 

[BDutch]

Pardon?

Have you heard of the word "famine"?
It's not a word in frequent use these days.
But it describes a danger the world faced over and over again, killing millions of people in the ages before modern agriculture.

Here's a test, for anyone that's game. We could say that any given area might be capable of supporting 3 different crops. (excluding deserts and frozen tundra)
So pick 3 of the most common things farmers grow in your area. Anything you get from those crops you can eat fresh, or can / freeze / dehydrate for later. But you don't buy any of those 3 items from the store for the year. So if one crop fails, you don't get any that year.
If you just want to do it as a mental exercise, that's fine. Think about our forebearers being completely dependent on those 3 crops. Failure = Starvation.

At least 50% of the agricultural land in my country is for animal feed. The GMO soy and corn they put in the pig and chicken feed comes from Brazil. Soy and corn raised with lots of pesticides and on land from former rainforests.

If the land that is used to feed animals in factory farming (where animals are abused), would be used for healthy feed for humans, there would be enough food for all it’s inhabitants. And I live in a dense country, with lots of people/cities in a very small country.

The farmers that grow organic food, make more profit (in NL). Not so much for better prices on the market, but most of all because they don’t spend so much on machines and pesticides.

 

[Stravager]

I'd rather be bathed in sunlight than glyphosate? How about you?

The quote you highlighted from the article's conclusion is equally applicable to, well, pretty much everything one ingests. Change "nervous" to "dermal" and its pretty much applicable to everything we come in contact with, given enough time and adequate concentration. Even sunlight.

That's why risk assessment matters.

but while we are in a morbid mood, you know what else would be a cool thig to put on a tombstone?

"Avoided all Risk. It killed me."

Gentle agreeance on the point that sunlight in extreme or even moderate doses can still cause skin cancer, heat stroke, dehydration, and severe sunburn. All of those can become fatal very quickly if you were to "bathe" in it.
Is glyphosate bad? Most likely. If it concerns you, avoid it if you can. Don't go out of your way to "bathe" in it. There are unfortunately many, many chemicals and substances that we are exposed to on a regular basis that affect us in ways that we'll likely not know about until 20+ years in the future.
All things in moderation, but we must also respect that other people do not have the same views that we might have. We can argue all day long about risk assessment, research, etc. but at the end of the day we are all biased and the science is itself often biased. Please be kind and respectful to one another, there's not a lot of kindness left in the world.
We all must take the risk and measure and determine for ourselves what is safe for us or not, and if you choose to avoid "risks" then all the power to you! I myself have to avoid a lot of things such as pyrethrin and permethrin because I react badly to those chemicals or products where similar chemicals are used - such as on alfalfa and flax.
That's the end of my two bits.