what I find so news worthy about the downer cow incident is that it was broadcast as an isolated "news" case-----It happens on a regular basis in this country----
GM Foods and what they are doing to us...
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It does????? Are we in Ag a bunch of sick twisted people that we move animals with forklifts, bobcats, tractor unloaders anything that can hurt and destroy. I'm starting to realize what a satanistic group I work with--did they have me fooled until you have enlightened me......thank YOU.
By the way don't eat today any food that you haven't grown as it is helping to perpetuate this sick industry......keep your morals high.
It does????? Are we in Ag a bunch of sick twisted people that we move animals with forklifts, bobcats, tractor unloaders anything that can hurt and destroy. I'm starting to realize what a satanistic group I work with--did they have me fooled until you have enlightened me......thank YOU.
By the way don't eat today any food that you haven't grown as it is helping to perpetuate this sick industry......keep your morals high.
I planted my first crop of Soybeans in 1988. I chose to use No-till as the planting method and wished at that time that I could use Paraquat or Round-up as Post-Emergence herbicides to remove weeds from my soybean fields. Instead of one pass with Round-up, I used Round-up as a burn down, then followed that with a post-emergence application of Poast Plus to remove grasses from the stand.
Fast forward to this year, where I will be able to utilize the soil saving, surface water improving, soil structure improving TECHNOLOGY of No-till using one application of Round-up to control the weed infestations in my fields. The alternatives to using Round-up Ready Technology are either multiple applications/chemicals or cultivation which increase soil loss by runoff and changes the soil structure.
Jim
Fast forward to this year, where I will be able to utilize the soil saving, surface water improving, soil structure improving TECHNOLOGY of No-till using one application of Round-up to control the weed infestations in my fields. The alternatives to using Round-up Ready Technology are either multiple applications/chemicals or cultivation which increase soil loss by runoff and changes the soil structure.
Jim
Jim, Jim you my friend have been duped. Don't you understand by using RR technology that you have become a pawn in Monsanto's hands???? You must not use oil based equipment (leave that alone so that the townies can have cheap gas to run their SUV's to work and play), use horses behind wood (sustainable) plows. When the horse gets tired or starts to sweat, you must quit until the horse indicates it's ready to go again. Jim see the light buddy......
I'm leaving this thread. Why?? When factual information was presented about Monsanto sueing the reply was along the lines of "they didn't win so it doesn't count" rather than "I'm sorry I was wrong" I think every reasonable person knows that agricultural plants have little resemblance to their non-agricultural forbears. Plants that have been cultivated for thousands of years have been changed, GMO changes them in seriously different ways. There are issues of cross-allergenic reactions, cross-kill in Bt crops, increase in herbicide use, over-all health concerns, long term effects, and others. To brush off these concerns as fringe or illegitamite ideas is irresponsible. Long term effects are unknown because the plants simply have not been around that long. Many products were used before effects were known including thalidomide, Vioxx, PCBs, DDT, early artifical sweeteners, asbestos, tobacco, etc. Having tested many a soil sample, I know how long many of these things linger in the environment.
New disease caused by poor agricultural practice: Mad cow disease (BSE) caused by feeding cows scrapie infected sheep. People who eat BSE infected cows are at risk for variant Jakob-Cruetzfeld disease, i. e. mad cow. BSE has been found in American grown cows, probably seriously under diagnosed.
Throwing your copy-written material into the wind, literally with corn pollenation, gives you little expectation of copy write fidelity. JMHO
Sorry about the iffy spelling.
New disease caused by poor agricultural practice: Mad cow disease (BSE) caused by feeding cows scrapie infected sheep. People who eat BSE infected cows are at risk for variant Jakob-Cruetzfeld disease, i. e. mad cow. BSE has been found in American grown cows, probably seriously under diagnosed.
Throwing your copy-written material into the wind, literally with corn pollenation, gives you little expectation of copy write fidelity. JMHO
Sorry about the iffy spelling.
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mom'sfolly, I will join you. Thanks for the succinct and articulate summary of my reasons for leaving as well.
Best to all-
Stacey
Best to all-
Stacey
I've been following along, but I'm out now, as well. This has melted down into childish sarcasm, directed at people who don't have the posters same views.
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Reinbeau - you are really out of your league here - your logic is nonsense. Let me ask you how many classes you've taken in ruminant nutrition? Obviously none. Give a cow access to a corn field and he'll eat the corn - why because he's a cow. And I'll tell you a thing or two about a cow's rumen - it is DESIGNED to digest even the most energy deficient plant material on the face of this earth, and that includes highly energy dense corn, wheat, oats, rye, etc. They diegst those readily because the rumen contains many many bacteria - necessary bacteria for the cow to LIVE - which converts the lignin and other normally undigestable materials to VFA's.
Raising beef steer for market you say? Sigh - let me explain this to you alright - I'm not being cynical either - in order to raise a beef steer for market and not lose money you have to have the guy ready by a certain number of days post wean. If you don't - then you have just lost any profit you hoped to make by spending more on feed than you'll get back at sale. Does this make sense to you? High energy feeding gets the farmer to that point, the point where he MAKES some money instead of losing money.
I was just at TWO feedlots not more than 3 weeks ago - one of the largest CAFO operations in the country and the place was a model of what a feedlot should look like, the people were open, honest, and real. They care deeply about their industry.
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Reinbeau - you are really out of your league here - your logic is nonsense. Let me ask you how many classes you've taken in ruminant nutrition? Obviously none. Give a cow access to a corn field and he'll eat the corn - why because he's a cow. And I'll tell you a thing or two about a cow's rumen - it is DESIGNED to digest even the most energy deficient plant material on the face of this earth, and that includes highly energy dense corn, wheat, oats, rye, etc. They diegst those readily because the rumen contains many many bacteria - necessary bacteria for the cow to LIVE - which converts the lignin and other normally undigestable materials to VFA's.
Raising beef steer for market you say? Sigh - let me explain this to you alright - I'm not being cynical either - in order to raise a beef steer for market and not lose money you have to have the guy ready by a certain number of days post wean. If you don't - then you have just lost any profit you hoped to make by spending more on feed than you'll get back at sale. Does this make sense to you? High energy feeding gets the farmer to that point, the point where he MAKES some money instead of losing money.
I was just at TWO feedlots not more than 3 weeks ago - one of the largest CAFO operations in the country and the place was a model of what a feedlot should look like, the people were open, honest, and real. They care deeply about their industry.
EDIT to remove personal attacks. Please review the rules of posting at BYC
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mom'sfolly :
I'm leaving this thread. Why?? When factual information was presented about Monsanto sueing the reply was along the lines of "they didn't win so it doesn't count" rather than "I'm sorry I was wrong" I think every reasonable person knows that agricultural plants have little resemblance to their non-agricultural forbears.
New disease caused by poor agricultural practice: Mad cow disease (BSE) caused by feeding cows scrapie infected sheep. People who eat BSE infected cows are at risk for variant Jakob-Cruetzfeld disease, i. e. mad cow. BSE has been found in American grown cows, probably seriously under diagnosed.
Throwing your copy-written material into the wind, literally with corn pollenation, gives you little expectation of copy write fidelity. JMHO
Sorry about the iffy spelling.
On Post 96 I typed. "Seachick on the Canola issue, YOU ARE CORRECT. "
I'm sorry, instead of saying she is correct, I should have said "I was wrong on that statement". Is that better?
Here is a link to the REAL story. Turns out he was bin running RR canola....Yes he was 74, but at what age is it OK to steal??? http://www.organicconsumers.org/ge/schmeiser.cfm
So I was wrong three times on the same subject. I was wrong to say SeaChick was right, I was wrong to say I was wrong on my statement that "Monsanto has not sued anyone for cross contamination", and wrong for not looking up the case before commenting. excuse me 4X as Monsanto did win in Canadian courts.
Mad cow was started in England where some of you have been advocating that is a model we should be modeling ourselves after. The case of mad cow in USA was when a person imported cows from Canada. They were ultimaletly destroyed. We also passed laws that changed the way/use of meat meal in USA.
I'm leaving this thread. Why?? When factual information was presented about Monsanto sueing the reply was along the lines of "they didn't win so it doesn't count" rather than "I'm sorry I was wrong" I think every reasonable person knows that agricultural plants have little resemblance to their non-agricultural forbears.
New disease caused by poor agricultural practice: Mad cow disease (BSE) caused by feeding cows scrapie infected sheep. People who eat BSE infected cows are at risk for variant Jakob-Cruetzfeld disease, i. e. mad cow. BSE has been found in American grown cows, probably seriously under diagnosed.
Throwing your copy-written material into the wind, literally with corn pollenation, gives you little expectation of copy write fidelity. JMHO
Sorry about the iffy spelling.
On Post 96 I typed. "Seachick on the Canola issue, YOU ARE CORRECT. "
I'm sorry, instead of saying she is correct, I should have said "I was wrong on that statement". Is that better?
Here is a link to the REAL story. Turns out he was bin running RR canola....Yes he was 74, but at what age is it OK to steal??? http://www.organicconsumers.org/ge/schmeiser.cfm
So I was wrong three times on the same subject. I was wrong to say SeaChick was right, I was wrong to say I was wrong on my statement that "Monsanto has not sued anyone for cross contamination", and wrong for not looking up the case before commenting. excuse me 4X as Monsanto did win in Canadian courts.
Mad cow was started in England where some of you have been advocating that is a model we should be modeling ourselves after. The case of mad cow in USA was when a person imported cows from Canada. They were ultimaletly destroyed. We also passed laws that changed the way/use of meat meal in USA.
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