GMO discussion with teacher

[punk-a-doodle]

I understand the THEORY of evolution, and it always goes back to the wall of separation which is something from nothing. I have heard all the big words and until they can come up with a better answer than it all started from cosmic dust or a similar answer to that it is just that a THEORY, accept it.

This one is a quick one to answer. I am sorry, but if you are saying that evolution has to do with 'something coming from nothing', you are not grasping the theory of evolution.

You also seem to be mixing up and combining three different theories: evolution (genetic change across generations), abiogenesis (life from non-living matter), and the Big Bang theory(the early development of the Universe). There are tons of well written and easy-to-access resources out there about this topic. I can gather some links together if you wish to learn more about what the theory of evolution does cover. If you are not interested, I just ask that you quote from Darwin or a peer-reviewed scientifically accepted article a claim of something coming from nothing in regard to evolution.​

 

[CocoNUT]

Another factor to take into consideration....to get these "patented" seeds....FIELDS and FIELDS of these GMO plants must be planted. Meaning...instead of going to FOOD....these fields are strictly producing SEED. So - land taken away from FOOD production.

Food may be food...however if your system isn't "evolved" to digest or tolerate said food - like some Asian groups have a higher instance of COW milk intolerance and corn/wheat allergies. Just as plants and animals have become 'used' to certain environments and available nutrients/water/ecosystems....so have human bodies. Some cultures are heavy on the dairy consumption....others on corn....others on wheat.

(and last time I checked...cotton wasn't a FOOD plant!) lol So the whole "feeding the poor and hungry" idea isn't exactly what monsanto is going for....

 

[chickened]

I am referring to the Darwin Theory and The origin of the species. all the nonsense forward of that is just nonsense without understanding where life began. Some day they will rewrite the history books... again. I think you are referring to what some scientists have called fact I still call it a theory and treat it as such. Until the pertinent question of where life began is proven the rest is interesting but not expedient. Think of it this way you set a course to the moon if you are off by one degree you will miss the moon. You cannot prove a negative. You can theorise it.
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This one is a quick one to answer. I am sorry, but if you are saying that evolution has to do with 'something coming from nothing', you are not grasping the theory of evolution.

You also seem to be mixing up and combining three different theories: evolution (genetic change across generations), abiogenesis (life from non-living matter), and the Big Bang theory(the early development of the Universe). There are tons of well written and easy-to-access resources out there about this topic. I can gather some links together if you wish to learn more about what the theory of evolution does cover. If you are not interested, I just ask that you quote from Darwin or a peer-reviewed scientifically accepted article a claim of something coming from nothing in regard to evolution.

 

[KenK]

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If we don't grow seed how are we going to produce food next year?

 

[PaulaSB12]

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Their government did because the imf told them too. Gmo seeds are much more expensive for them and they are unable to buy the cheaper ones. This wasn't the only problem they sold seeds that would need to be irrigated without telling the farmer. Now it does say that it needs irrigation on the packets but we are talking about people who can't read in their own language let alone someone else.

 

[punk-a-doodle]

Only "Origin of Species"? Awesome, that makes it even easier for us to break down something so specific. There are free online texts for 'Origin' versions, and you can even text search them with ease. There is no talk of cosmic dust or something coming from nothing.
http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-origin-of-species/

It is clear from his private writings that while Darwin had ideas about the origin of life, he felt that science was not yet advanced enough to comment upon them, and that evolution could be studied independently of this.

So, to repeat:

You also seem to be mixing up and combining three different theories: evolution (genetic change across generations), abiogenesis (life from non-living matter), and the Big Bang theory(the early development of the Universe). There are tons of well written and easy-to-access resources out there about this topic. I can gather some links together if you wish to learn more about what the theory of evolution does cover. If you are not interested, I just ask that you quote from Darwin or a peer-reviewed scientifically accepted article a claim of something coming from nothing in regard to evolution.​

 

[chickened]

The info in all what you suggest I read all stop short of any conclusion as to whether it is intelligent design or other. Your peers have divided the basic concept to which the evolution I refer to into subcatagories which is fine. I do subscibe to the idea of an evoulutionary process within a species but not something from nothing or as you call it biogenesis. I have read some of Darwins work back in highschool and it is like reading a story starting in the 3rd or 4th chapter it would make more sense if it had a legitimate beginning that is the problem. To base scientic facts or theories on an unknown or an unprovable negative from the start is only going to invite guesses and we can argue all day whos' guess is best. In short Darwin was wrong and it is reported that he admitted it.

This much I do know that nature has a way of righting our wrongs and has done so for a long time. This will undoubtedly happen with GMO seeds and I think it has already began with the descendants of Dolly the sheep which is a clone... sort of... they really did not do a true clone with her either they cheated.
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[punk-a-doodle]

Right and wrong are cultural concepts. It is beneficial for us humans to understand this and the impact our actions have on shaping our (observable/natural, I am not discussing the immaterial) surroundings. There are natural laws that act as restrictions and guides to outcomes, but they are not working for or against our personal favor, and that would behoove us to understand.

You said that you were refering to the evolutionary process outlined in "Origin" and by Darwin. No one has divided evolution into different categories in terms of evolution, abiogenesis, and the big bang theory, rather, you are attempting to use the term 'evolution' to cover processes and mechanisms it does not. Again, please support your statement that evolution is about 'something coming from nothing' with quotes from the text you mentioned ("Origin"), or any scientifically accepted, peer-reviewed study or text regarding evolution. That would be a factual and concrete backing to your statement.

 

[chickened]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis


A reading assignment.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponta...n.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species

Scientists today are just as far away from discovering the beginning of life as Aristotle was in thinking maggots spontaneously appeared on rotting meat. Thankfully through their own work they continue to disprove their predecessors. Right and wrong are more than cultural concepts, cheating at a scientific experiment would be considered wrong even by scientists.

 

[RHRanch]

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Not sure how any of that disproves or proves anything. Its just an overview of theories on how life may have began, some of which were discarded as scientific knowledge grew through the use of the scientific method.