GMO discussion with teacher

[hemet dennis]

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don't believe that they will sue a farmer for some volunteers but if 90% of a farmers field is their GMO seeds then the farmer was stealing
and any farmer can buy any other seeds

Research Percy Schmeiser from Canada and see what Monsanto can do.

well check this link about good old Percy

http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/Pages/percy-schmeiser.aspx

he got busted trying to pull a fast one

 

[HollyBird24]

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Yeah, why don't you? Heres what I found

http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/Pages/percy-schmeiser.aspx

 

[trailchick]

Yes, it is about localized consumption, as mentioned in another post recently by Resolution in another section....
I work in a kitchen at a prison, in SE Colorado, and we get cans of Sweet Potatoes from China. Can you imagine the amount of energy consumed to feed inmates sweet potatoes, that were sent across the ocean. Let me repeat "From China"!!!! Couldn't the old good USA provide them, but is it about cost????

About DDT, I would not want to live near, or eat anything the use of DDT. The california condor, bald eagle, & the peregrine, among other raptors, & who knows what else, were nearly wiped out because of DDT. There are many chicken keepers, many on this site that daily lose poultry to raptors, but raptors are necessary to our ecosystem, and it would be a sad day, if we never saw them, flying high above us. They are a part of our world....

sheila3935, I take offense that this conversation is being generated by young adults....... I am one of those elders, & besides age doesn't matter, but we are leaving this world to the youngers.

We are all one in this world

Back to Monsanto, and their GMO's, We need to be able to discern between what is and isnt.....

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

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I will take the word of the respected farmers an seed people over a company with a reputation an a legacy that Monsanto has. I'm sure the people of Anniston, Alabama would to. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Monsanto's_Global_Pollution_Legacy

Not all those farmers are as honest as you think they are, one example is of a farmer in Saskatewan, Canada. Percy Schmieser reported that the GMO canola had blown into his field from a passing truck, yet traces of the canola were found in the middle of his field. Yes, canola is light and blows easily, but not that far!

Nope, not all of them are honest. I don't assume they are. But you assume they are all dishonest an all crooks. I only question the integrity of Monsanto, who happens to have a proven history of being dishonest.


As for Mr Schmieser. I dont know him so I cant say. I do have to wonder. What makes you think where a plant is pollinated has any effect on where the seed is planted the next year? I don't claim to know anything about canola but I assume like other seed crops you would harvest the best first an plant them all over the field the next year. So even generation one after cross contamination you could find the new gene all over the field. If the new gene is really better an those plants did better those would be chosen for keeping so by generation 2 almost all of his field would hold the new gene.

Could he have swapped his seed for there's? Sure. Could it have happened the way he says? Sure.

From what I know about farmers, his story is believable. It may be a lie but I want proof he is lieing before I am throwing stones at him.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

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Yeah, why don't you? Heres what I found

http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/Pages/percy-schmeiser.aspx

You did not just link to monsantos website to prove the integrity of monsanto

Do you ask people if they are lieing to you to?

 

[hemet dennis]

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Not all those farmers are as honest as you think they are, one example is of a farmer in Saskatewan, Canada. Percy Schmieser reported that the GMO canola had blown into his field from a passing truck, yet traces of the canola were found in the middle of his field. Yes, canola is light and blows easily, but not that far!

Nope, not all of them are honest. I don't assume they are. But you assume they are all dishonest an all crooks. I only question the integrity of Monsanto, who happens to have a proven history of being dishonest.


As for Mr Schmieser. I dont know him so I cant say. I do have to wonder. What makes you think where a plant is pollinated has any effect on where the seed is planted the next year? I don't claim to know anything about canola but I assume like other seed crops you would harvest the best first an plant them all over the field the next year. So even generation one after cross contamination you could find the new gene all over the field. If the new gene is really better an those plants did better those would be chosen for keeping so by generation 2 almost all of his field would hold the new gene.

Could he have swapped his seed for there's? Sure. Could it have happened the way he says? Sure.

From what I know about farmers, his story is believable. It may be a lie but I want proof he is lieing before I am throwing stones at him.

3 Canadian courts said he was lieing

 

[hemet dennis]

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Yeah, why don't you? Heres what I found

http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/Pages/percy-schmeiser.aspx

You did not just link to monsantos website to prove the integrity of monsanto

Do you ask people if they are lieing to you to?

on the Monsanto's site it will link you to the Canadian court site that you can check for the truth

when 3 Canadian courts say he's lieing then he's probably lieing

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Now I don't claim to have read all of those court cases but what little I have read they do not call him a lier. They just say that even if he did not add the gene on purpose he is still liable for patent infringement because he replanted the seeds. Which he never calmed that he did not replant the good seeds as far a.s I know

Yet the source of the Roundup resistant canola in the defendants' 1997 crop is really not significant for the resolution of the issue of infringement which relates to the 1998 crop. It is clear from Mr. Schmeiser himself that he retained seed grown in 1996 in field number 1 to be his seed for the 1997 crop. In 1997 he was aware that the crop in field number 2 showed a very high level of tolerance to Roundup herbicide and seed from that field was harvested, and retained for seed for 1998.​

 

[hemet dennis]

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he only sprayed one small field with round up and then harvested his next years crop from the plants that didn't die hmmm why do that but to get the round up resistant plants that's why he had over 95% Monsanto plants and all of this Percy said is fact

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Yet you keep wanting to call him a lier. He admits to all that.He said he never bought or planted there seed stock. He does not deny replanting from seeds that showed roundup resistance. He openly told them that. Seems to me I would have done the same thing if I had no knowledge of the new patent law changes.

You are trying to make him out that he should have known everything farmers know now.

Remember you could not even patent life until the mid 90s. An then only in the US. Monsanto introduced Round Up Ready seeds in what? 1996. This all happened in 1997. He had not bought seed in years. But you keep implying he deliberately infringed on a patent that he probably didnt even know could exist on a product that he may have not even known existed. An if he did which I assume he did, he may have though he could achieve the same goal by doing just what he did. Spraying a whole field an keeping any servivers. If this all happened a few years earlier he would have been a competitor not a patent infringer.


FYI. He apparently sued Monsanto in 2008 for contamination an won something like $660K Canadian.