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Cow an do you have any pictures?
Golden Salmon Marans
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If you can find one pure Golden Salmon and mate it to a silver salmon, you can make more pure Golden Salmon in 3 generations with proper color selection.
But your GS must be pure. Males are very deceiving because their color can hide melanizers which only show up on the chicks, ruining your plans. Females are your best bet. But they must not have rusty hues anywhere or you will pollute your hatch with autosomal red or Mahogany.
You are seeking the salmon-breasted, stippled hen. Her color is definitive. If she doesn't look right she is not right. Remember, Golden Salmon is a lack of every color gene except gold. On fact, breeding Golden Salmon is not color balancing because there are no other color genes. It is constantly making sure no other color genes show up. It is a constant process of winnowing. Once you get a pure breeding flock, they will just self-replicate. That's the attraction of the Golden Salmon. An automatically self-replicating flock, needing no color balancing, once it is pure-breeding.
Best,
Karen
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Marans of America Club
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So the golden salmon color of marans is just wildtype if I understand correctly? This is why hobby names confuse me. I remember there was a person that had a 'blue straw mahogany' phoenix bantam rooster awhile back, that was the long way of saying 'blue gold duckwing' LOL.
Sorry for straying off topic, just curious as to how they got the name if they look wildtype to me...
Sorry for straying off topic, just curious as to how they got the name if they look wildtype to me...
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Yes, it is plain wildtype. These folk who are adding mahogany and calling it Golden Salmon are just wrong. Wildtype with Mh is a Red Duckwing.
As I understand it, from David Hancox ( Blackdotte ) in Australia...the way of determining color
names came from the cockfighting world. In the old days, the colors of a breed were named for
the colors the people saw when they looked down on them in the fighting pen. The first name would be the color they saw on the top of the bird. The 2nd name would be the color the saw on the breast of
the bird. Frankly, I think part of the answer is they can
from a country steeped in the arts. And the other half of the answer may be the bird has a Gold gene
and a salmon breast. I think it is purely a combination of genetic and visual factors.
I gotta admit, it is a pretty name.
Best,
Karen
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While the Male do look Duckwing, they are not genotypically wildtype. wildtype refers to a bird based on e+ and having all other genes wildtpe(the + sign, example co+)
edit.. I Thought there were based on Wheaten, so yes they are just wildtype
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how was the e+ wildtype e allel introduced in the marans? sofar only Birche, Extended black and Wheaten are the ones I see
I posted the thread if you are still interested in looking at it.
I picked up a Golden Duckwing Roo and 6 more Silver/Golden Salmon hens from Bob Terwilliger Tyrone, Pa. The breeder behind his stock are Lynnrae Troples, Alecia Albury, Dave Williams, and Joe Carlson.
Top photo Golden Duckwing via Bob Terwilliger via Alecia Albury. Bottom is of the roo I posted before. He is turning more Golden.
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