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This can open a whole new discussion..LOL

Yes, white Boxers can be deaf just like any other white dog regardless of breed. The deafness is because they are white and lack pigment in the inner ear. However, the prevelence of deafness is not as bad as some would have you believe.

There are no studies relating specifically to the boxer and deafness. While many have tried to get a study started their have never been enough breeders willing to have their colored dogs tested. IMO I feel there is a fear that we will find that deafness (especially unilateral) is found breed wide regardless of color.

Just to get this out of the way and hopefully answer some questions up front, below is something I have put together regarding the white boxer. Time for a little Boxer History.

I also have graphics that show color genetics and the inheritance of the white marking gene and I will post that also if requested.

Did you know that the Boxer as we know it today is built upon a foundation of white dogs?

There is so much controversy surrounding the White Boxer, It was requested that I share my thoughts . I have made a great effort to produce this page in an unjudgmental, unbiased, and educational form. I must ask that as you read through what I have prepared you maintain and open mind.


Boxer History

It is important that one understand the foundation of the modern Boxer. The white boxer played a very substaintial role in creating the boxer we know today.
The following lines of descent concentrate on those Boxers who were the primary ancestors of American Boxers.

A Boxer Club had been formed in Munich in 1895, and the founders drew up the first Boxer Standard as a guide for their future breeding




Much of this first standard still remains in the Boxer standards of today. As any good dog club should, they held a dog show as soon as possible. A picture of the Boxers in that show still survives.

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Boxer Bench at one of the earliest German shows
The Boxer, John Wagner pg.38

The modern Boxer began in the late-nineteenth century in Germany with Alt's Flora, a brindle grump imported from France by George Alt of Munich. Flora was bred to a local Boxer whose name was never recorded. A fawn and white male from this litter, Lechner's Box No.48, was then bred back to his mother who produced Alt's Flora II and Alt's Schecken No.50.

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Alt’s Schecken No.50
The Boxer, John Wagner pg.43

Schecken, when paired in 1895 with a white bulldog called "Dr Toneissen's Tom" in the records, became the dam of the first Boxer registered in the first stud book in 1904, Mühlbauer's Flocki.


Schecken's sister Flora II was bred back to her father, Box, which produced Maier's Lord, the first noted Boxer sire. Maier's Lord was mated to Maier's Flora (parentage unknown) to produce Piccolo v. Angertor, the sire of Meta v. d. Passage.

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Maier’s Lord No.13
The Boxer, John Wagner, pg.44

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Piccolo v. Angertor No.19
The Boxer, John Wagner, pg.48


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Meta von der Passage 30
The Boxer, John Wagner, pg.48

In 1898, a repeat breeding of Schecken and "Dr. Toneissen's Tom" produced Ch. Blanka v. Angertor. Ch. Blanka v. Angertor was the mother of Meta v. d. Passage

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CH. Blanka v. Angertor
The Boxer, John Wagner pg. 36


John P. Wagner states: “Meta v. d. Passage played the most important role of the five original ancestors. Our great line of sires all trace directly back to this female. She was a substantially built, low to the ground, brindle and white parti-color, lacking in underjaw and exceedingly lippy. As a producing grump few in any breed can match her record. She consistently whelped puppies of marvelous type and rare quality. Those of her offspring sired by Flock St. Salvator and Wotan dominate all present-day pedigrees. Combined with Wotan and Mirzl children, they made the Boxer."
(Wagner, 1950, p. 47-48)


The white boxer has not always carried the stigma it carries today. At one time it was sought after and coveted. In 1925 the white boxer was no longer accepted. It is believed that the reason for this was because the dogs were to be used for police work they needed to be a darker color so as not to be easily seen. As a result of rationing at that time resulted in breeders culling the undesirable whites so that the more valuable colored dogs would have plenty to eat. The culling (killing) of whites at birth became a common practice that some breeders still practice today. It is unclear why the white boxer carries the misconceptions it does today.

This link also has some good reading....

http://home.online.no/~hennilu/English/Information/white/
 
White Boxer.

I wish I was on my home computer so I could share pics of Ruger...

A friend who showed and bred nationally ranked Boxers had a litter with 2 white babies. As she was instructed by her peers, she planned to drown them and announce a litter 2 less than actually born. You know .. 'never admit your dog had WHITE puppies'.. To her credit, she couldn't do it.

I took them both and started bottle feeding.. placed one immediately and talked a girlfriend of mine into taking the male. We named him Ruger. He was raised on powdered kid milk..

He was the biggest, prettiest, amazing boy. BUT he had a hearing "issue" .. he was NOT deaf. The only way to describe it was "dyslexic hearing" ..

If you called him from the left, he would immediately turn the EXACT OPPOSITE way and look for who called. We used to laugh like crazy.

He eventually learned to adjust.. would innitially glance the wrong way and then turn the exact opposite and use his wonderful eyes to spot you.

He was a wonderful friend, companion, and farm dog. He never wanted to admit when he grew old .. acting like a pup until the end.. He's been gone just over 2 years...

I often think about how many are 'culled' because they aren't perfect, that would make someone and excellent dog.. I thank God for my friend who couldn't live up to the standards of her "show mentality" mentors.

Can't wait to see the pics of your pups! I have no guess.
 
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....So she starts a cute thread about her adorable mama having cute little wiggly ,great smelling puppy breath puppies.... and the issue of Good or bad breeder comes up? There is a need to spout Boxer history? and to disguise a crude remark as a good intention? WHat the heck People?

BYCers are not supposed to be pessimistic Look-for-every- little detail wrong and pick at everything!!!

GEEZ! This is why I dont post some things on here. Does that dog Look like its miserable malnourished and in pain? Looks healthy to me. And full of cuddly bugs. SO enjoy the sweetness of new life and stop being Buggers! All of ya who have that desiese! Move on!'


Congrats on the little beauties. Cant wait to see pictures!
 
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Thank you. It just makes me so mad when I see people downing others. I wont come on here to post about when we breed our schnauzer. OF COURSE there are shelters - who charge $250 - $300 for adoptions. And sometimes wont let you adopt because you ask too many questions or did "too much research". Its just so ANNOYING. I would have a house full of shelter dogs right now - if the adoption fee was lower. Dont bring up shelter dogs people - they ( besides pet stores and idiots who think they have a 'designer breed") are sometimes the most expensive and cause the most hassle to get.
 
This happens on the horse boards too .. everytime someone posts about breeding their mare, or their baby that is due. You've got the folks coming out of the woodwork tearing the mare apart or spouting reasons why the mare should never have been bred.

It's counterproductive .. and rude.

Having said this, I HAVE shown my dogs (and my horses), I've been blessed to have VERY reputable breeders as friends and peers. I've also been involved in rescue. I've had an "oops" breeding (and mine wasn't purebred -- *GASP*).

I still see the value in mutts and non-perfect animals. My best horses were rescues .. and some were UGLY .. by show standards. I've taken other people's "culls" .. that turned out to be multiple titled agility dogs .. they didn't know that they didn't "meet the standard" ..

Value is measured in different ways.

I once had an obedience instructor admonish me for quitting class. She called and told me that it was a "great injustice" to my dog if I didn't continue classes.

I informed her that if I didn't FEED my dog, or VACCINATE my dog, or otherwise TAKE CARE OF my dog -- THAT would be an injustice. If I NEVER went back to any class with him meant NOTHING to him.. lol.

Congrats on your pups .. can't wait to see the pics!
 
Still waiting....she is still holding onto those babies. She is spending alot more time in her box though ( as opposed to her usual spot on the couch.
 

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