Gout or MS?

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by chicknmania, Feb 16, 2016.

  1. chicknmania

    chicknmania Overrun With Chickens Premium Member

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    Hello, I have a 6 year old rooster who has been lame for several weeks. He started out with what looked like Scaly Leg Mites, but not a bad case at all, just a few raised scales. I treated him for SLM anyway, and he seemed to recover in that the scales returned to normal, but he was still very lame. There was swelling around his (what I would call his ankle) as well as in the foot pad, but just on one foot. For a while I soaked him every day in warm Epsom salts bath, which he seemed to appreciate very much, and baby aspirin three times a day., as well as forced rest in a small pen for about 14 hours per day, and then only limited movement allowed in a tractor for the remaining time each day. this did seem to help some but the pain and swelling always returned.

    I then noticed swelling in his foot pad, and also hock joint on that leg were swollen and warm. The swelling and heat seems to move around, from joint to foot, sometimes both. I started him on Denagard at treatment strength, which produced dramatic results the first few days, the swelling and heat disappeared, he obviously felt better but was still somewhat lame. but after a few days on the Denagard, the swelling and noticeable lameness returned. I then forced rest in the small pen for about 20 hours, which again produced dramatic results, swelling and heat totally vanished for a day or so. I can't force rest for him all the time, he's a rooster, he just has to have some time to move around in a bigger enclosure during the day. He feels great, eats well, very alert, no weight loss, if anything he's gaining weight after all this inactivity.

    I am pretty sure this is MS, but I am frustrated as to what to do. He's on day 9 of the treatment strength Denagard. This morning his foot pads seemed normal, but his right hock joint was swollen and warm and the left one ouchy, and this after he'd been on forced rest all night from 6:00PM - 7:00AM.

    My plan is to try Baytril next, but I'm not sure if this is the best antibiotic to use.

    Oh..history...we had a cockerel die last year from what I was sure was MS, he had classic respiratory and lameness We treated the flock for MG this past early winter, with Denagard. Just recently in the past ten days we had another hen turn up lame. No swelling on her leg or foot that I can find though. Slight warmth in the bad leg. So still not sure if hers is related to his, or if she just injured hers.

    Captain the rooster has now been lame for about 6 weeks total. I very much would like to get him well, he's the alpha and he's an awesome rooster, gentle and kind. Does anyone have any suggestions about what the next step in treatment is for him and also my hen, Amaryllis? I am going to try her on the Denagard starting tomorrow.

    And could this be Gout? We feed 17% feed (Purina Flock Raiser) usually. but never any higher protein percentage than that. We sometimes alternate it with 16 % poultry feed we get from a feed store here, as well as Layer occasionally, cracked corn and sometimes scratch. We only rarely give table scraps. The flock free ranges.

    can anyone tell me what the best antibiotic is to use for Captain? Or should I use one at all?
     
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  2. Wyorp Rock

    Wyorp Rock Chicken Obsessed Premium Member

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    Do you have any good photos of the top of the foot and the bottom?
    Could it be bumblefoot? Is there a "plug" on the bottom of the foot. Severe cases can cause infection and lameness.
    http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2011/07/bumblefoot-causes-treatment-warning.html

    Can't rule out MS. Was there any sign of respiratory illness with him?
    http://www.thepoultrysite.com/diseaseinfo/99/mycoplasma-synoviae-infection-ms-infectious-synovitis/
    http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ps044

    Gout.
    http://www.thepoultrysite.com/publications/6/diseases-of-poultry/232/gout/
     
  3. chicknmania

    chicknmania Overrun With Chickens Premium Member

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    His foot is completely normal now and has been for several days. He still has swelling and heat in his one hock joint, which comes and goes. I'm sure it's MS, or Gout, but most likely MS as we had a case of it in a cockerel last year. Definitely not bumblefoot, we ruled that out a long time ago. No, Captain has never had any respiratory symptoms, but that does not necessarily mean anything. He had a brief period when he was not eating well, but that is long past. He eats well now and is gaining weight; really more than he probably should from all the inactivity.

    Thanks for the input.
     
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