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I hobbled out to see the chickens and was very sad at what i saw. if you want something done who do you trust to do it? yourself, no one else. they have no food no water, their water bowls are dusty all 4 of them. the 2 new leghorns have clear snot and are puffed up. and dirty too. i stood there and cried . i was able to throw some corn in there but no water yet. i called the one caring for them and she will be here soon she said. one looks like a really bad case of leg mites. I know the whole coop was dusted but thats all. no eye problems at all thank goodness. so they dont get colds i have been told. but that is what it seems like. a sneeze here and there to clear the sinus.

I went to Coral's capon clinic on Saturday. We had to leave here before 4am to get there by 9 am. We got there early but that is beside the point. I didn't know how long the clinic would last but we couldn't let my chickens out before we left because we have had some more chickens disappear and it was still too dark for them to be safe. I had written out a list of how to care for my chickens, morning and night for my son to follow. We didn't plan on being back until Sunday night. My son needed to let the chickens out Saturday and Sunday morning and herd them into the coop Saturday night and feed and water them. He refuses to have anything to do with them but my daughter had plans and some of them were for work and others for school functions. I have young chicks in the house and some young ones in the coop that needed to be fed and watered.

After the caponing clinic in Ok, we headed over to Tx to get the geese that a member here at BYC gave me. We got there about midnight Saturday night and located her home. It was out in the middle of nowhere so we pulled to one side of the driveway and slept in the car. Next morning we went in and got the geese, headed home. When we got home we put the geese in quarantine and went to put my chickens up. It was well after dark and most of the birds were in the coop. Sometimes the ducks can be a little difficult but they finally went in.

Monday morning, I fed and watered the ones in the house, went out to feed and water the ones in the coop. There were several birds loose in the run that must have been hidden under the building the night before. I have some birds that can fly/climb over the fence and won't go in the coop at night so we leave the gates open in the morning on the run so they can get in while we are setting things up. They didn't come. I was worried about them but wherever they were there was nothing I could do about it. I put food and water down, relocked the gates and let the chickens out of the coop. While they were eating and drinking, I went in to feed and water the ones in the cage inside, then to gather the eggs. My son was given the option of gathering them or not and he didn't. That was ok. I went around to the back side of the coop and was putting down the ramp for the chickens and found my red production hen dead. I couldn't find anything wrong with her. About then my wild boys show up from the kitty corner of the house from the run. They never go back there and I left out the part where my chickens acted like they hadn't eaten in a week.

I can't accuse my son of not following the steps I gave him but I have to wonder if he even let my birds out while we were gone or if he waited until Sunday afternoon to let them out. I have to wonder if he stood in front of the door after he opened it and got hit by a flood of chickens and maybe kicked at some of them, injuring my red production hen. I have to wonder why my wild boys were in a part of the yard that they never go.

I am very angry but if I asked him questions, I wouldn't know if he were telling me the truth or not. I have to find a way to let the anger go, it isn't doing me any good and I can't do anything about it. You should be able to trust family to do some simple, easy jobs without needing someone hanging over their shoulder. Back in 2010 another son was "watching" my dogs but when we got home, we found one dead under our bed. He didn't know when or how it happened. This son still at home should have remembered how much trust I was putting in him and done his best to earn that trust. I don't think he did but I will never know.
 
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i hope i can get pics. i cant get over how tiny they are. i have them in the bator, we will see in 7 days i guess.
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I went to Coral's capon clinic on Saturday. We had to leave here before 4am to get there by 9 am. We got there early but that is beside the point. I didn't know how long the clinic would last but we couldn't let my chickens out before we left because we have had some more chickens disappear and it was still too dark for them to be safe. I had written out a list of how to care for my chickens, morning and night for my son to follow. We didn't plan on being back until Sunday night. My son needed to let the chickens out Saturday and Sunday morning and herd them into the coop Saturday night and feed and water them. He refuses to have anything to do with them but my daughter had plans and some of them were for work and others for school functions. I have young chicks in the house and some young ones in the coop that needed to be fed and watered.

After the caponing clinic in Ok, we headed over to Tx to get the geese that a member here at BYC gave me. We got there about midnight Saturday night and located her home. It was out in the middle of nowhere so we pulled to one side of the driveway and slept in the car. Next morning we went in and got the geese, headed home. When we got home we put the geese in quarantine and went to put my chickens up. It was well after dark and most of the birds were in the coop. Sometimes the ducks can be a little difficult but they finally went in.

Monday morning, I fed and watered the ones in the house, went out to feed and water the ones in the coop. There were several birds loose in the run that must have been hidden under the building the night before. I have some birds that can fly/climb over the fence and won't go in the coop at night so we leave the gates open in the morning on the run so they can get in while we are setting things up. They didn't come. I was worried about them but wherever they were there was nothing I could do about it. I put food and water down, relocked the gates and let the chickens out of the coop. While they were eating and drinking, I went in to feed and water the ones in the cage inside, then to gather the eggs. My son was given the option of gathering them or not and he didn't. That was ok. I went around to the back side of the coop and was putting down the ramp for the chickens and found my red production hen dead. I couldn't find anything wrong with her. About then my wild boys show up from the kitty corner of the house from the run. They never go back there and I left out the part where my chickens acted like they hadn't eaten in a week.

I can't accuse my son of not following the steps I gave him but I have to wonder if he even let my birds out while we were gone or if he waited until Sunday afternoon to let them out. I have to wonder if he stood in front of the door after he opened it and got hit by a flood of chickens and maybe kicked at some of them, injuring my red production hen. I have to wonder why my wild boys were in a part of the yard that they never go.

I am very angry but if I asked him questions, I wouldn't know if he were telling me the truth or not. I have to find a way to let the anger go, it isn't doing me any good and I can't do anything about it. You should be able to trust family to do some simple, easy jobs without needing someone hanging over their shoulder. Back in 2010 another son was "watching" my dogs but when we got home, we found one dead under our bed. He didn't know when or how it happened. This son still at home should have remembered how much trust I was putting in him and done his best to earn that trust. I don't think he did but I will never know.
cameras are a moms best friend. lol no, i wouldnt want to know either but if its the way to responsibility then i guess i would try. i dont have worries there because my son flat refuses to go around them and dont mind telling me so. it sounds like you had a rough trip. sleeping in the car. i would of woke them up. i am sure they would understand. its not all that safe sleeping in the car like that. will be looking forward to a pic of your new critter.
 
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something must of got in the coop yesterday. the run that is. lost one of the egyption fayoumas and the only crested cream legbar hen i kept. i found a hole about 1in. where something had dug under the skirt and a few holes in the chickens. i am thinking rat? tiny hole about half in. plus little feathers around each one. 2 different places in the same run. AND, thats not enough, AND, the 2 leghorns i have recently added and the other fayouma is very skinny with nasty butt. AND, my little roo has the leg mites still. they are pretty bad too. looks painful for him. i have treated this on him some. not enough i see. so, i have safe-guard and no instructions. i wrote instructions for wrong meds. the coop was dusted too. HELP PLEASE
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Did i mention the clear snot on the 2 leghorns and sneezing too?
 
Quote: Sounds like all your birds are suffering from very low immune systems.....too much time in the coop. The skinny nasty butted birds could be suffering from Vent Gleet. The runny noses are either from being weak as well or more MG or Coryza coming back to haunt you. And leg mites can also effect weak and older birds.

So get some probiotics in the water to boost the immunity and clear up any Vent Gleet. Use some ivermectin for the leg scale and if you continue having runny noses, stop the probiotics for a while and put some Sulfadimethoxine in the water or Duramycin which ever you have. Clean out the entire coop, nest boxes, dust everything down, getting the roost bar on top and under neath really well. Leg scale mites love to hide and linger all over the wood of the bar.

Meanwhile stand outside all night with a gun and shoot to kill if something tries to get into the coop!!!
 
Sounds like all your birds are suffering from very low immune systems.....too much time in the coop. The skinny nasty butted birds could be suffering from Vent Gleet. The runny noses are either from being weak as well or more MG or Coryza coming back to haunt you. And leg mites can also effect weak and older birds.

So get some probiotics in the water to boost the immunity and clear up any Vent Gleet. Use some ivermectin for the leg scale and if you continue having runny noses, stop the probiotics for a while and put some Sulfadimethoxine in the water or Duramycin which ever you have. Clean out the entire coop, nest boxes, dust everything down, getting the roost bar on top and under neath really well. Leg scale mites love to hide and linger all over the wood of the bar.

Meanwhile stand outside all night with a gun and shoot to kill if something tries to get into the coop!!!
the leg mites are only on a very old roo i have. not sure what vent gleet is but i will start the probiotics. all of the mg birds were gone for a while. they do act weak. I will have to pick some ivermectin up tomorrow. and the coop was dusted with 7 just once though. i closed them out of that part of the run where the dog kennel is. now i will go search veet gleat. thank you Sis !!
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Vent Gleet is a yeast/fungal infection of the intestinal tract. Do the butts stink and are they all stained with poop? If so, you have Vent Gleet. The probiotics will clear up the yeast infection from the inside out. You can also apply vaginal cream to the butts too. If the butts are just messy, no red vent area and no stink, then probably not Vent Gleet. But use the probiotics anyway.

And many times when you have external mites, you have internal ones as well. So of the butts are just all stained with poop only, then you may have worms going on instead. :)
 
no mites and its not red. i dont know if it stinks or not. i didnt smell anything but i dont have a good sniffer. i dont think i like or know them well enough to start rubbing stuff on their buts. lol it is stained light brown and i didnt have gloves on but what i could see a bit farther up looked clean and bug free. I have safe-guard sitting here. maybe i can slam them w/ it all? ivermectin , safe-guard and the probiotics. i am going to try the dish soap this time instead of the 7 or maybe both.
 
well, i just read dawgs post on safe-guard and of course i did it all wrong. i went by instructions i had wrote down for a different med. so that is probably my problem. i hope it will be safe to use the ivermectin and safe-guard at the same time. i didnt see anything about it. i will start the probiotics after the 3 day worming. i have to sucker someone into catching them all for me first. i could do it when the go to roost but i am afraid of the boogie man. lol and it seems that not all chickens go into a coma when they sleep. mine are very light sleepers.
 
well, i just read dawgs post on safe-guard and of course i did it all wrong. i went by instructions i had wrote down for a different med. so that is probably my problem. i hope it will be safe to use the ivermectin and safe-guard at the same time. i didnt see anything about it. i will start the probiotics after the 3 day worming. i have to sucker someone into catching them all for me first. i could do it when the go to roost but i am afraid of the boogie man. lol and it seems that not all chickens go into a coma when they sleep. mine are very light sleepers.
There used to be a wormer with Safeguard and ivermectin in it, so you'll be fine.

-Kathy
 
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