Great Depression of 2016

[oldrooster]

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I find it funny how many people don't like the subject matter of a certain thread and state that on the thread, and sometimes start an argument on that thread instead of simply reading something else. sorry about my rant...

I find it funny that such brilliant political and economic minds are hiding out on a chicken forum rather than taking their expertise out there to make things better. I'd guess this is just mild distraction for them, being as I'm sure they've all put those great ideas to use for themselves, and are wealthy enough to not have much else to keep them worried. I mean, considering how much everyone seems to know about this stuff, they must be leading highly successful lives. At least they are kind enough to take the time writing posts which keep me entertained.



I am happy you enjoy going thread to thread and making fun of others, starting arguments and fight back and forth with others, I am sure that means we are keeping you out of other people's hair..... I remember several of your posts on different threads, all the same, making fun and arguing over things that don't really amount to much. Those here are enjoying a debate on today's political climate, we do not claim to know all the questions, or have all the answers. If you know the questions, and/or the answers, please enlighten the rest of us whom aren't as bright as yourself.

 

[cassie]

Henry Ford was a great man, and that worked in his time. He did not have a huge hungry fed to feed. If I pay double wages and cut prices I'll go broke long before my tax bills are paid.

Paid maternity leave should be a decision made by the company, not mandated. While a large company may be able to afford it, look at the basic math from a small business perspective:

Clerk that makes $10/hour goes on 6-8 week paid maternity leave. The actual cost to the business is $15/hr.
Replacement clerk from the temp. agency gets $10/hr. Cost billed to the company is $20/hr.
Temp clerk needs to be trained, you can't just throw them out on the floor without training. Another $10/clerk is now helping the temp. Remember, that's $15 an hour to the business.

That one person on paid maternity leave now costs the mom and pop store $50/hour while the temp is being trained, then $30/hour for the duration of the maternity leave. I don't know of any small business that can afford that.

What happens if two clerks happen to go on maternity leave at the same time? The doors close.

Actually, none of this matters if people can't afford to buy whatever it is a business is trying to sell.

I think the core of the problem is that we have elected people to office that have no experience or knowledge of the business world. To say that "the private sector is doing just fine" tells a lot. If one comes to public office from a social welfare position or a job as a community organizer they bring with them an animus against the business world. They are more concerned with providing benefits to potential voters than how the goods and services of a society are produced and distributed.

These people think that taps produce water. They give no thought to the pipes, pumps and engineering. As a result, we see shortages of vital goods and services. See what is happening in Venezuela. They can confiscated stores and distribute goods to their favorites, but once the store is empty, it stays that way.

Nobody works for nothing, and nobody knowingly invests in a losing business. The end result of socialism is not uniform prosperity, but uniform poverty. Those who cannot create must destroy.

It is sad that people work for low wages, but no one forces them to work in those positions. In the past, those low level positions in the fast food industry were filled by young kids still in school. Now, they seem to be mostly filled with immigrant people who because of their lack of papers cannot move into better jobs. In my area, you just about have to speak Spanish to order a hamburger.

If the wage is raised to fifteen dollars an hours, no body will be able to buy the product. Those labor organizers see the CEO's making big bucks. But the money they make is from selling franchises and supplies to the franchisee. The owner of the franchise doesn't make the big bucks, but his life savings are invested into the operation. This is where it will breakdown. We will see the end of the fast food business.

I cannot afford to eat at those places now, and I foresee a lot of other people will be soon priced out of the market also.

The bottom line is that if the company doesn't make money, nobody has a job.

Actually, none of this matters if people can't afford to buy whatever it is a business is trying to sell.

 

[caychris]

Actually, none of this matters if people can't afford to buy whatever it is a business is trying to sell.
Actually, none of this matters if people can't afford to buy whatever it is a business is trying to sell.

And they wont be able to afford anything if they have nothing of value to trade for the means of exchange (ie money) {The value of labor is directly proportional to the the quality of its output}

For many uneducated low skilled all they have of value is their time and can only be trusted with labor that is quite simply in surplus in today's market.

Why are IT wages as high as they are without Unions and Professional certifications? (in fact those areas which do have certifications drive down the salaries over time).

The way in which you afford what you want to by is by increasing your own value and the dirty secret about that is it requires "work" on your part it isnt something that comes just because you believe you are owed it. It must be earned.

 

[rufus]

So true. Unfortunately, some people resent the success of others. There are those that can and will improve their economic situation, and then there are those that bemoan the success of others. They demand that we must level the playing field, but that does no good if they do not play. Crippling the successful does not help the unsuccessful.

I am afraid that we are headed to a one party state. The party in power uses its control of the state to minimize any other political ideas beyond the party line. Records disappear. People get audits they never should have to endure. Innocence is no excuse; toe the party line or else.

A plethora of regulations and laws stifles opportunity. Those massive zaibatsus have the lawyers to cut through the paper work. The favored ones get preferential treatment.

There needs to be an end to the incestuous relationship between Goldman Sachs and a certain political party.

 

[caychris]

There needs to be an end to the incestuous relationship between Goldman Sachs and a any political party.

edited for truth they are all bought

 

[hemet dennis]

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I find it funny how many people don't like the subject matter of a certain thread and state that on the thread, and sometimes start an argument on that thread instead of simply reading something else. sorry about my rant...

I find it funny that such brilliant political and economic minds are hiding out on a chicken forum rather than taking their expertise out there to make things better. I'd guess this is just mild distraction for them, being as I'm sure they've all put those great ideas to use for themselves, and are wealthy enough to not have much else to keep them worried. I mean, considering how much everyone seems to know about this stuff, they must be leading highly successful lives. At least they are kind enough to take the time writing posts which keep me entertained.



I find a lot of things funny.



Have a nice day.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

I find it funny that such brilliant political and economic minds are hiding out on a chicken forum rather than taking their expertise out there to make things better. I'd guess this is just mild distraction for them, being as I'm sure they've all put those great ideas to use for themselves, and are wealthy enough to not have much else to keep them worried. I mean, considering how much everyone seems to know about this stuff, they must be leading highly successful lives. At least they are kind enough to take the time writing posts which keep me entertained.

I find it funny we are being insulted for having an a opinion about adult issue by a stinky rose that is ground in to a elixir for people that fear growing up.


For the record, my local, state an federal elected officials know me by name so I am not hiding out anywhere. I am also financially stable an see no reason to trade happiness an enjoyment of life to become wealthy beyond my needs. Also my IQ tests at 140 sense you think that matters somehow for someone to have an opinion.

Some of the best minds I have ever known have spent time on this forum. I dont agree with a lot of opinions here but you dont expand your mind by seeking out "yes men" to agree with. This is a great place to debate things with people that own their own opinion.

 

[cassie]

And they wont be able to afford anything if they have nothing of value to trade for the means of exchange (ie money) {The value of labor is directly proportional to the the quality of its output}

For many uneducated low skilled all they have of value is their time and can only be trusted with labor that is quite simply in surplus in today's market.

Why are IT wages as high as they are without Unions and Professional certifications? (in fact those areas which do have certifications drive down the salaries over time).

The way in which you afford what you want to by is by increasing your own value and the dirty secret about that is it requires "work" on your part it isnt something that comes just because you believe you are owed it. It must be earned.

You can't get a good job if there aren't any to get. Where I live skilled jobs are few and far between. The daughter of a friend of mine just graduated from college. So far she hasn't been able to get a job in her field (teaching) because there aren't any openings. The salary my neighbor receives working as a legal secretary for the lawyer in town is pitiful. Major local employers consist of WalMart, the feed mill, the mini mart, and that's it. If you are very lucky you can get a job with the utility company or the highway department. These jobs pay well but there are for more applicants than there are openings. My sister works for a large national telecommunications company in another state that employs thousands. They are in the process of moving a major part of their operations overseas. This move is going to put many hundreds of highly skilled educated workers out of work. Are they going to be able to find other jobs? You tell me. My sister saw the writing on the wall months ago and has been looking for some time for a job in another firm. In spite of an MBA and an impressive resume she has so far been unable to secure another position at anything approaching the salary she is getting now, so she has stayed put. You can blame the current administration for the lack of employment opportunities if you want, but the exporting of jobs out of the country has been going on for many many years. This trend is killing the economy and it may kill the country.

 

[caychris]

You can't get a good job if there aren't any to get. Where I live skilled jobs are few and far between. The daughter of a friend of mine just graduated from college. So far she hasn't been able to get a job in her field (teaching) because there aren't any openings. The salary my neighbor receives working as a legal secretary for the lawyer in town is pitiful. Major local employers consist of WalMart, the feed mill, the mini mart, and that's it. If you are very lucky you can get a job with the utility company or the highway department. These jobs pay well but there are for more applicants than there are openings. My sister works for a large national telecommunications company in another state that employs thousands. They are in the process of moving a major part of their operations overseas. This move is going to put many hundreds of highly skilled educated workers out of work. Are they going to be able to find other jobs? You tell me. My sister saw the writing on the wall months ago and has been looking for some time for a job in another firm. In spite of an MBA and an impressive resume she has so far been unable to secure another position at anything approaching the salary she is getting now, so she has stayed put. You can blame the current administration for the lack of employment opportunities if you want, but the exporting of jobs out of the country has been going on for many many years. This trend is killing the economy and it may kill the country.

There is a great book called "Who Moved My Cheese?"

It sounds like your sister was paying attention which is better than most actually. Change is a constant part of life and in today's world it happens more rapidly and with larger impact than in the past. If you are dependent upon being an "employee" (even a skilled one) to survive you are only a couple of steps ahead of the people who are unskilled. If we rely too much on a limited set of skills it can be devastating when the demand for those skills is supplanted by something else. But we cannot blame the "economy" or politicians or anyone other than ourselves for failing to either recognize the change or do the required to adapt. Many many people resist change as if their force of will can bend reality rather than accept the truth and embrace the new adventures. Im not saying that some changes are not monumentally difficult to adapt to and others needed not happen at all due to poor decision making of others but the reality is these things happen and in many cases there is nothing to do for it but to get busy finding more cheese.

In short if you cant find a job make one.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Thats the thing. US workers are not worth what they demand to be payed. Their is not one (movable) job in the US that cant be done just as good for half the pay over seas. Thats why jobs are going over seas. The sad thing is people loose these jobs to cheaper labor over seas then go out hunting another job expecting to be payed the same. If you were worth that much you would not now be hunting a job now so get it in your head that you are not worth that much an take any job that you can get.


Also, college degrees are worth about as much as the paper they are printed on... People that learned a trade are still making money while people with degrees are jobless.

The guy pumping your septic tank is still making $300 an hour an he may not have even finished middle school...