When there is an incentive for companies to stay in the US, they do. Our tax structure makes it expensive to run a company here. You simply can not blame a company for trying to maximize their profits, that's what they are in business to do. People don't start companies for the benefit of the employees, they start and run them for profit. More will leave if what I saw on the news last night comes into play. The pres. was talking about how we need to have mandatory paid maternity leave. If all companies are forced to pay maternity leave for their employees it will have a severe negative impact on our economy. And more lost jobs.
Great Depression of 2016
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Company heads need to study Henry Ford. He paid his workers twice the going rate. He priced his Model T's low so people could afford to buy them. The more money people made, the more cars and other things they bought and the money went round and round. Now the jobs and money are going out of the country and nobody much benefits except the CEO's with their multi million dollar salaries. That may change when fewer and fewer people can buy what these companies are selling. This outsourcing is killing the country. Oh, and the company my husband used to work for had paid maternity leave and it didn't seem to hurt their bottom line all those years ago.
There is only one way to reverse this over all trend and it isn't by winning one (or many) election(s).
Freedom and Liberty can only be upheld by a industrious and virtuous people.
There is the statement that "We get the government we deserve" and it is true.
We need to reintroduce the concepts of self reliance and community (not the ACORN kind) back into the American culture or when it comes crashing down your horde of food and bullets will not be enough to save you.
I think by helping our neighbors become better emergency prepared it will foster in some way the seeds of self reliance and community that will begin to again give hope to people that they can better their lives. This is the missing element in todays society. The idea that you can become better off has been beaten out of many of us. When there is little hope you turn to anyone that can give you any measure.
Many people say you cant compete with Santa Clause. Well that is true especially if you are not their telling them that Santa is giving away a free pair of chains with that check. We have to be prepared ourselves but we must also teach others to fish. Or we will be that last slave at the mill wheel grinding out bread for the hungry masses.
Many of us here have taken steps in this direction by learning lost skills and rejecting dependence on Commercial operations for some of the very basic foods in life. All that is needed now is to spread the word and get as many as you can involved in their own program of self reliance. Communities formed in order to collectively share the load and take advantage of specialized skills. These are good things but they need to come about by a people who are first seeking to live free. Who first find what they can contribute to a community in order to fill the gaps in what they lack. This cannot be done by force as the communist would have you believe it must be voluntary. Each person brings their value to the table and purchases things in exchange.
Today's society fails in large part because we can artificially assign value to ultimately worthless things. And in doing so surrender and make trivial those things which we should value most of all.
Sorry for the "rant" and being new to the thread something here sparked something that Ive been thinking about for a long time now.
Freedom and Liberty can only be upheld by a industrious and virtuous people.
There is the statement that "We get the government we deserve" and it is true.
We need to reintroduce the concepts of self reliance and community (not the ACORN kind) back into the American culture or when it comes crashing down your horde of food and bullets will not be enough to save you.
I think by helping our neighbors become better emergency prepared it will foster in some way the seeds of self reliance and community that will begin to again give hope to people that they can better their lives. This is the missing element in todays society. The idea that you can become better off has been beaten out of many of us. When there is little hope you turn to anyone that can give you any measure.
Many people say you cant compete with Santa Clause. Well that is true especially if you are not their telling them that Santa is giving away a free pair of chains with that check. We have to be prepared ourselves but we must also teach others to fish. Or we will be that last slave at the mill wheel grinding out bread for the hungry masses.
Many of us here have taken steps in this direction by learning lost skills and rejecting dependence on Commercial operations for some of the very basic foods in life. All that is needed now is to spread the word and get as many as you can involved in their own program of self reliance. Communities formed in order to collectively share the load and take advantage of specialized skills. These are good things but they need to come about by a people who are first seeking to live free. Who first find what they can contribute to a community in order to fill the gaps in what they lack. This cannot be done by force as the communist would have you believe it must be voluntary. Each person brings their value to the table and purchases things in exchange.
Today's society fails in large part because we can artificially assign value to ultimately worthless things. And in doing so surrender and make trivial those things which we should value most of all.
Sorry for the "rant" and being new to the thread something here sparked something that Ive been thinking about for a long time now.
Henry Ford was a great man, and that worked in his time. He did not have a huge hungry fed to feed. If I pay double wages and cut prices I'll go broke long before my tax bills are paid.
Paid maternity leave should be a decision made by the company, not mandated. While a large company may be able to afford it, look at the basic math from a small business perspective:
Clerk that makes $10/hour goes on 6-8 week paid maternity leave. The actual cost to the business is $15/hr.
Replacement clerk from the temp. agency gets $10/hr. Cost billed to the company is $20/hr.
Temp clerk needs to be trained, you can't just throw them out on the floor without training. Another $10/clerk is now helping the temp. Remember, that's $15 an hour to the business.
That one person on paid maternity leave now costs the mom and pop store $50/hour while the temp is being trained, then $30/hour for the duration of the maternity leave. I don't know of any small business that can afford that.
What happens if two clerks happen to go on maternity leave at the same time? The doors close.
Paid maternity leave should be a decision made by the company, not mandated. While a large company may be able to afford it, look at the basic math from a small business perspective:
Clerk that makes $10/hour goes on 6-8 week paid maternity leave. The actual cost to the business is $15/hr.
Replacement clerk from the temp. agency gets $10/hr. Cost billed to the company is $20/hr.
Temp clerk needs to be trained, you can't just throw them out on the floor without training. Another $10/clerk is now helping the temp. Remember, that's $15 an hour to the business.
That one person on paid maternity leave now costs the mom and pop store $50/hour while the temp is being trained, then $30/hour for the duration of the maternity leave. I don't know of any small business that can afford that.
What happens if two clerks happen to go on maternity leave at the same time? The doors close.
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I think the core of the problem is that we have elected people to office that have no experience or knowledge of the business world. To say that "the private sector is doing just fine" tells a lot. If one comes to public office from a social welfare position or a job as a community organizer they bring with them an animus against the business world. They are more concerned with providing benefits to potential voters than how the goods and services of a society are produced and distributed.
These people think that taps produce water. They give no thought to the pipes, pumps and engineering. As a result, we see shortages of vital goods and services. See what is happening in Venezuela. They can confiscated stores and distribute goods to their favorites, but once the store is empty, it stays that way.
Nobody works for nothing, and nobody knowingly invests in a losing business. The end result of socialism is not uniform prosperity, but uniform poverty. Those who cannot create must destroy.
It is sad that people work for low wages, but no one forces them to work in those positions. In the past, those low level positions in the fast food industry were filled by young kids still in school. Now, they seem to be mostly filled with immigrant people who because of their lack of papers cannot move into better jobs. In my area, you just about have to speak Spanish to order a hamburger.
If the wage is raised to fifteen dollars an hours, no body will be able to buy the product. Those labor organizers see the CEO's making big bucks. But the money they make is from selling franchises and supplies to the franchisee. The owner of the franchise doesn't make the big bucks, but his life savings are invested into the operation. This is where it will breakdown. We will see the end of the fast food business.
I cannot afford to eat at those places now, and I foresee a lot of other people will be soon priced out of the market also.
The bottom line is that if the company doesn't make money, nobody has a job.
These people think that taps produce water. They give no thought to the pipes, pumps and engineering. As a result, we see shortages of vital goods and services. See what is happening in Venezuela. They can confiscated stores and distribute goods to their favorites, but once the store is empty, it stays that way.
Nobody works for nothing, and nobody knowingly invests in a losing business. The end result of socialism is not uniform prosperity, but uniform poverty. Those who cannot create must destroy.
It is sad that people work for low wages, but no one forces them to work in those positions. In the past, those low level positions in the fast food industry were filled by young kids still in school. Now, they seem to be mostly filled with immigrant people who because of their lack of papers cannot move into better jobs. In my area, you just about have to speak Spanish to order a hamburger.
If the wage is raised to fifteen dollars an hours, no body will be able to buy the product. Those labor organizers see the CEO's making big bucks. But the money they make is from selling franchises and supplies to the franchisee. The owner of the franchise doesn't make the big bucks, but his life savings are invested into the operation. This is where it will breakdown. We will see the end of the fast food business.
I cannot afford to eat at those places now, and I foresee a lot of other people will be soon priced out of the market also.
The bottom line is that if the company doesn't make money, nobody has a job.
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You are in Australia. Address your own problems there. We will take care of our own chicken coop the best way we can.
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I find it funny how many people don't like the subject matter of a certain thread and state that on the thread, and sometimes start an argument on that thread instead of simply reading something else. sorry about my rant...
I find it funny that such brilliant political and economic minds are hiding out on a chicken forum rather than taking their expertise out there to make things better. I'd guess this is just mild distraction for them, being as I'm sure they've all put those great ideas to use for themselves, and are wealthy enough to not have much else to keep them worried. I mean, considering how much everyone seems to know about this stuff, they must be leading highly successful lives. At least they are kind enough to take the time writing posts which keep me entertained.
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