Greenfire Farms

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[BGMatt]

It's nothing personal. I just feel that there is place for each of us and we should respect each other and our ways of thinking and doing things. We each have our reasons and personal preferences and tastes and as long as we do right by our birds, treat them well and do no harm, all is good. 

It is unfortunate when newcomers though see good reviews for unethical places like Greenfire and then get ripped off paying huge prices for low quality, non-standard birds. It's disappointing to see a moderator for a site not look out for poultry newcomers and try to suppress the truth.

Most people when spending large sums of money on an animal expect it to be a good representative of the breed. This does not happen at this hatchery. Birds that are APA recognized are of low quality and often DQ-ed. Birds that are not recognized here, but are elsewhere are questionable at best (see the difficulties the Cream Legbar folks are having for just one example.)

 

[DCchicken]

It is unfortunate when newcomers though see good reviews for unethical places like Greenfire and then get ripped off paying huge prices for low quality, non-standard birds. It's disappointing to see a moderator for a site not look out for poultry newcomers and try to suppress the truth.

Most people when spending large sums of money on an animal expect it to be a good representative of the breed. This does not happen at this hatchery. Birds that are APA recognized are of low quality and often DQ-ed. Birds that are not recognized here, but are elsewhere are questionable at best (see the difficulties the Cream Legbar folks are having for just one example.)

I have 80+ birds from Greenfire. They are neither unethical nor are they selling low-quality birds. I feel honored to have their lines in my flock.

Can you provide any proof to your claims? Probably not.

 

[BGMatt]

I have 80+ birds from Greenfire.  They are neither unethical nor are they selling low-quality birds.  I feel honored to have their lines in my flock.

Can you provide any proof to your claims?  Probably not.

I have seen their birds be disqualified at multiple shows with my own two eyes. Sorry I didn't take a picture for you. Busy explaining to families with crying children wondering why such expensive birds got disqualified.

Also as I said, check out the Legbar thread here, see the problems they're having trying to get birds that are representative of the breeds original UK standard, all Cream Legbars in the US can be traced back to Green Fire Farms.

They're good at telling a story on their Webpage and ripping off uneducated, new poultry keepers. Folks should know that.

 

[SilkiesForEver]

Quote: Sumi was not trying to suppress the truth with her post. NYREDS is very knowledgeable, but the way he shares his knowledge is wrong. A judge of such experience should want to share it kindly and try and educate poultry enthusiasts. As Sumi also said, not everyone is going to have A+ quality birds when they start, and they not ever even as the years go on. Some people are perfectly fine with having "mutt" birds as pets or layers.

 

[sumi]

Quote: Matt, I myself have been ripped off by a "breeder" when I started out with chickens. In my case, I paid a lot of money for pure bred chicks and received a box full of mutts. I agree with you that such practices are unacceptable and that hatcheries and breeders should not sell anything less than they advertise. However, my post was not about Greenfire farms or other hatchery's practices. What I was pointing out in my post before the one you quoted is that people view chickens differently and others should not look down on people's birds if they do not meet their standards.

To the OP, I apologise for hijacking your thread and steering it off topic. If anyone wishes to continue this discussion, feel free to PM me.

 

[BGMatt]

Matt, I myself have been ripped off by a "breeder" when I started out with chickens. In my case, I paid a lot of money for pure bred chicks and received a box full of mutts. I agree with you that such practices are unacceptable and that hatcheries and breeders should not sell anything less than they advertise. However, my post was not about Greenfire farms or other hatchery's practices. What I was pointing out in my post before the one you quoted is that people view chickens differently and others should not look down on people's birds if they do not meet their standards. 

To the OP, I apologise for hijacking your thread and steering it off topic. If anyone wishes to continue this discussion, feel free to PM me.

Which is a valid point if they presented themselves as a hatchery quality supplier, and charged hatchery prices. In other words if they were honest. But when you present yourself as something more, and don't deliver, it's shady and underhanded. But it's obvious that the truth isn't valued highly here so I'll let it be. Hopefully some people read these comments and don't get ripped off by these folks.

 

[DCchicken]

I have seen their birds be disqualified at multiple shows with my own two eyes. Sorry I didn't take a picture for you. Busy explaining to families with crying children wondering why such expensive birds got disqualified.

Also as I said, check out the Legbar thread here, see the problems they're having trying to get birds that are representative of the breeds original UK standard, all Cream Legbars in the US can be traced back to Green Fire Farms.

They're good at telling a story on their Webpage and ripping off uneducated, new poultry keepers. Folks should know that.

Once again you offer no proof, just your statements. Your last statement is libel and I hope Greenfire sues you for stating it. Remember, free speech does not protect libel. It really does not matter whether or not one of their rare chickens is disqualified at show. The APA judges are not qualified to judge a rare breed that the APA does not even recognize. If and when the APA begins to recognize any of the breeds that GFF imports, then they can learn how to correctly judge that breed.

Only another breeder of a breed is qualified to judge that breed. So unless you have that credential, your opinion is just that, an opinion.

BTW, I a proud member of the Cream Legbar Club. Not everyone in the Club cares about meeting the UK standard.

 

[BGMatt]

Once again you offer no proof, just your statements. Your last statement is libel and I hope Greenfire sues you for stating it. Remember, free speech does not protect libel. It really does not matter whether or not one of their rare chickens is disqualified at show. The APA judges are not qualified to judge a rare breed that the APA does not even recognize. If and when the APA begins to recognize any of the breeds that GFF imports, then they can learn how to correctly judge that breed.

Only another breeder of a breed is qualified to judge that breed. So unless you have that credential, your opinion is just that, an opinion.

BTW, I a proud member of the Cream Legbar Club. Not everyone in the Club cares about meeting the UK standard.

Orpingtons, Brahmas and Sussex are APA breeds, all of which GreenFire Farms is either currently selling or has been selling the last few years. An APA judge is well qualified to judge them (non-standard varieties are not an automatic DQ, but I'm sure you knew that). If they presented themselves as Ideal, McMurray, Cackle or other hatcheries do there would be no issue. But they represent themselves as something different. It does matter if the majority of their stock would be disqualified, because it is not representative of the breed as a whole. You can even see that in the images on their site. IN this very thread you have an APA judge telling you the quality of their birds, to quote "junk".

Of course my opinion is my opinion. Luckily as someone with over 20 years experience breeding and exhibiting in many different breeds (including Brahma and Orpington) it's a pretty informed one. I appreciate the insult though.

 

[DCchicken]

Orpingtons, Brahmas and Sussex are APA breeds, all of which GreenFire Farms is either currently selling or has been selling the last few years. An APA judge is well qualified to judge them (non-standard varieties are not an automatic DQ, but I'm sure you knew that). If they presented themselves as Ideal, McMurray, Cackle or other hatcheries do there would be no issue. But they represent themselves as something different. It does matter if the majority of their stock would be disqualified, because it is not representative of the breed as a whole. You can even see that in the images on their site. IN this very thread you have an APA judge telling you the quality of their birds, to quote "junk".

Of course my opinion is my opinion. Luckily as someone with over 20 years experience breeding and exhibiting in many different breeds (including Brahma and Orpington) it's a pretty informed one. I appreciate the insult though.

We will have to agree to disagree then. My opinion is that the APA is only qualified to judge breeds (or colors of a breed) that it officially recognizes. Otherwise it is just an opinion. Because of statements made by that APA judge, I will NEVER become a member of the APA. If I were the APA, I would distance myself from any of their judges that referred to some's birds as junk.

No chicken is junk. They are beautiful birds, regardless of whether or not they meet a "Standard of Perfection".