Gun Owners and Non-Gun Owners should come to a Meeting of the Minds

[LittleFeat]

Heelers&Chickens_OhMy :

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Well.....when asked 'why do you need a gun', what do you say? "Personal Protection"? "It's my right"? "I like guns"?

LOL..."I like guns" wouldn't go over well with most folks I know.

I suppose this is similar to the BSL around pit bulls. Pit bulls are a powerful breed of dog very capable of killing something. However, most pit bulls are not vicious killers, and the one who lives with me is the biggest sweetheart. But, if you've never owned the dog, aren't a big dog person and only heard about them dog fighting and killing on TV, how would you feel about pits? How do you explain to some one that things need to be evaluated on a case by case basis?

And to keep it on the chickens topic....one day when I move from the city to the country, heck yes I want to be able to protect my family, flocks and herds! I do plan on investing in a livestock guard dog for help though

That's kind of my point. How often does some one come up to you and say, "By the way do you own guns?" If a person isn't going around talking about all the guns they have or that they have guns, there really is no need to even mention it. I think it's more the attitude of a person going around talking about all the firepower they have that makes them come off looking like an overly aggressive, gun-totin' trouble maker.

And the point about being able to have guns is that the government should not have the right to tell you you can't have a gun any more than they can tell you you can't have a guard dog. You are still responsible for the consequences of having either.

 

[Eggs4Sale]

Am I the only one that received an NRA membership for Mother's Day??

Anyone??

What the fly on the wall heard in my home:
DH: "I'd love it if you'd get a Concealed Carry Permit."
me: "I don't need one."
DH:
me: "Wait, yeah, I need one. You'll have to watch the kids while I'm gone."
DH: "Nope. Too late. You said you didn't want one."
me:

DH:

me:

 

[LittleFeat]

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Yep I think it was around Mother's Day! Carry Permit a year ago....actually Tennessee it's not a Concealed Carry Permit.....just a Carry Permit doesn't have to be concealed.

 

[warmfuzzies]

Heelers&Chickens_OhMy :

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I'm not feeling attacked - but it is tough to walk the line between 'guns are fun' and 'guns are bad'.....'guns are fun in the right hands'?

I have been thinking about the answer to this as I walked around taking care of my hurt hen and cleaning up the house.

Maybe the answer lies in the fact that guns, like any object, are not capable of being 'good' or 'bad'. Like food is not bad, but eating 700 doughnuts would be, it is the decisions made by the people, and the way they are used, that makes something 'good' or 'bad'...

So maybe the real question is not whether guns are good, bad, or fun, but why it matters so much. Guns are tools, and like any tool, they can be destructive if the user wants to use them in that way. Otherwise, they are just tools.

Who would ask, "why do you own a hamemr? You can call a carpenter for that! Someone could get hurt, it could fall on your toes!" While all of that is true, it doesnt mean I dont have a right to use a hammer. I am a responsible person, and I dont turn into a killer or maniac simply by the possetion of a tool.​

 

[MandyH]

At the risk of sounding like I redneck, here I go: I am an educated woman, who happens to own more guns than your local pawn shop. I also know how to fire, clean, and handle those said guns. I believe that guns maybe are not as necessary as they were to life, back when the constitution was written, but they still stand for the same things. The ability to feed your family, defend your family, defend your property and defend your country. If you live in town and don't need a gun for these things, I do not believe that you are stupid for that. I DO however think you are stupid if you believe that those of us who live 20 miles from civilization, like to hunt, like to defend ourselves and our property, are just going to roll over and give up our guns to a bunch of fools who think guns are "bad". Bad for what? Idiots who don't know how to use them? I'll tell you one thing I do know. When the crud hits the fan and this country spirals even further down the pipes, us "rednecks" will happily be able to provide protection and food to our families.

 

[19hhbelgian]

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i Like your conversation!

My DH and I both have our carrying permits. I'm glad too! I had to deliver 2 horses just before christmas last year. The directions took me directly through the city!!!!

My MIL was with me for this trip, and I'm pretty sure she's never going any where with me again... Can't say I blame her! While going through the city, we were looking at the people and saw some guys with the hat, fur coat and all that (hopefully you can guess what business they were in...) We are from the country, and avoid the city like the plague (no offense to any body, it's just not our cup of tea), so we were... Nervous

Here's how the conversation went:
MIL: Are the doors locked?
Me: Yep
MIL: All the windows are up right?
Me: Yep
Me: Don't worry, the gun is in the glove box...
MIL: Is it loaded?
Me: Yep...

That is exactly how the conversation went.

Nobody tried anything, but we felt a little safer - I know how to use the gun, and I'm also a decent shot, which is the only reason I will handle guns. Guns aren't dangerous, the people using them are. Not all guns/ammo should be legal, but not all guns/ammo should be illegal either.

 

[jafo]

From the Baltimore Reporter
http://www.baltimorereporter.com/?p=3674



20th Century Gun Control History

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1911
Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated .

1929
The Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated .

1935
China established gun control. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated .

1938
Germany established gun control. From 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated .

1956
Cambodia established gun control. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people , unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

1964
Guatemala established gun control. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated .

1970
Uganda established gun control. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated .

In the 20th Century, because of gun control, 56 million Defenseless People were rounded up and exterminated.

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Now a more current history page.
It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms for destruction by their government. This program cost Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.
The first year's results are now in:

Australia-wide, homicides with firearms are up 3.2 percent.

Australia-wide, assaults with firearms are up 8.6 percent.

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.
Note: while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY.
After a monumental effort and cost was expended in ridding the Australian Society of personal fire arms, Australian politicians are at a loss to explain why public safety has decreased. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

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You won't see this data on the American evening news or hear our president, governors or other politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans.....before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in support of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

With guns, we are citizens. Without them, we are just subjects.

If you value your freedom.
Please spread this Gun Control Information message to all of your friends.

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things.

The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which

thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.

The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,

nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a

miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and

kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

~John Stuart Mill - from On Liberty circa 1859

 

[warmfuzzies]

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SWOON....... I could be so lucky.... LOL

Actually here in CO as long as its not concealed you can carry without a permit. But I would still love to be able to stick it in my purse and take it everywhere with me....

 

[hikerchick]

I grew up in the city. I used to be firmly - obnoxiously - in the camp of those who say no one needs a gun.

Then I moved to the country.

One day I had some guys from Craigslist removing an old furnace from my garage. My daughter was home alone. My neighbor saw the guys and their truck and got her gun and came down on her 4 wheeler to make sure my daughter was safe. She thought the guys were robbing my house.

I am not against guns anymore.

 

[horsejody]

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Yes, and we will be able to sit safely on the roof and pick off the looters.

All kidding aside, it may or may not happen in my lifetime or my children's lifetime, but someday society just might fail, and those of us that are armed will be much more likely to survive. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, predators may have to be taken out, or we may have to protect ourselves from criminals. Guns are useful.