Gun Owners and Non-Gun Owners should come to a Meeting of the Minds

[Ladyhawke1]

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people with mental problems are denied owning or getting a permit for handguns....... so those you are talking about obtained their guns illegally anyways. Education is the key to understanding gun ownership.

What if one is deemed sane when one already has a gun and then goes loopy?

 

[wilds of pa]

Boyd,To the poster with the .500, ouch, tried to shoot one, and my little hands can't handle the recoil. I darn near knocked myself out when the front sight whacked me in the noggin!

Na this particular model doesn't kick much

, with the big barrel and ports she shoots real sweet.. bit heavy if holding long, but that sucks up some of the recoil as well.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...d=10001&productId=14807&langId=-1&isFirearm=Y

http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/monster_1103/

~Wilds~​

 

[Boyd]

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people with mental problems are denied owning or getting a permit for handguns....... so those you are talking about obtained their guns illegally anyways. Education is the key to understanding gun ownership.

What if one is deemed sane when one already has a gun and then goes loopy?

I do see your point but that would be the exception rather than the rule......

And to those kids who did columbine ...... Their parents should be held responsible and liable because they were not responsible gun owners... and all around bad parents. Its an example of gun owners giving the responsible ones a bad name.

 

[Chicks_N_Horses]

Compared to the outrageous number of people in this world there are actually only a few handfulls of the crazies that want to kill people. If they don't have guns they will use knives or anything to fufill their need to kill. So, if they take guns away from people who need them to keep others from owning a gun then they resort to knives then are they going to take knives away from people?

 

[ohiofarmgirl]

My MIL carries a glock with her everywhere.

i think i love your MIL

;-)​

 

[kycklingar!]

I came from a gun-free family, and used to be anti-gun. And I and am married to a Swede.

Where I came from, most houses had guns, and things seemed to work out just fine. There was the occasional tragedy, but nothing that couldn't have gone just as wrong in a gunless situation.
Where my husband came from, there have never been any guns legally in the hands of the citizens, and things seem to work out just fine. There are still occasional tragedies there, too.
Gunlessness works for Sweden, but it will never work for America. Yes, there are guns out there, in the hands of people who shouldn't have them. But there are far more guns in the hands of responsible people. And what happens when we try to go gunless? Those responsible people will abide by the law, and the irresponsible won't. This could not be good.
I have complete respect for responsible gun owners. I don't own a gun now, but certainly am considering responsible gun ownership when we move back to the country.

 

[Ladyhawke1]

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What if one is deemed sane when one already has a gun and then goes loopy?

I do see your point but that would be the exception rather than the rule......

And to those kids who did columbine ...... Their parents should be held responsible and liable because they were not responsible gun owners... and all around bad parents. Its an example of gun owners giving the responsible ones a bad name.

Yes, and it was later revealed that these “children and shooters of children ” were on antidepressants.

 

[horsejody]

Heelers&Chickens_OhMy :

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If you don't have something to add don't say it. As I understood it, the purpose of this thread was to discuss folks on opposite sides of the fence coming to some sort of an agreement or happy medium. I understand if you think my concerns aren't valid, however, these are the same concerns other folks have that want to take away your right to own a gun. Simply saying 'it's my right' isn't good enough when you're talking about 'the equalizer'.

Simply saying, "it's my right," is good enough because it really is a right. It is one of our basic rights enshrined in the Constitution.

ETA: A gun would probably kill a troll, but starvation would be a better method.

 

[Alicia]

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Eeeek! Is right! There are some places that a gun is totally inappropriate (most, IMHO) but nothing good can come from mixing a gun with alcohol, drugs and/or large crowds of people.

Though I would not personally own a gun, I am pro responsible and sensible gun ownership too. I do not think taking a gun with you wherever you are is responsible or sensible!

If we are in a restaurant or shopping center or other public place and some crazy pulls out a gun, is another gun going to help the situation or provide more bullets to cause more casualties? If you pull your gun out in an attempt to intimidate the guy, are you going to make him stop, or are you going to make yourself a target? Plus, if you do shoot him, you are more than likely going to be spending some time in jail and later court facing criminal charges and possibly jail time whether you believe it was justified or not.

I presented someone else with this argument about a year ago and the response I received was "how likely is that to happen?" My response: Well, it isn't very likely to happen at all, so why do you need the gun with you in the first place?

Ma'am, I don't want you to think I am picking on you, but do you mind answering a couple of questions for an example?

Roughly, where do you live....
What is the population consisting of in your area
Do you live in or around a major city
How much does violent crime affect your life
And have you ever had to defend yourself from an attack?


Ok, I'll share so you can understand why I ask.....
I live within 25 minutes of Flint MI which has gotten better lately.
I live in a rural area of older folks and retirees that are mainly white and Hispanic
I do live near flint, with Corunna and Owosso to the west of me.
It has in the past
Violent crime...... Yes, I've been robbed at gunpoint, and a separate incident was jumped by 4 men and beaten. Didn't have to kill any of these fools but being prepared to do so saved me.

My point is this.... It wouldn't seem that I would't need a firearm on me, but it has definately saved my life. I also carry my lil .22 on me around the house for fox, raccoon, possum and coyote removal protecting my chicks.

.........This is getting quite cumbersome and my attempts at editing it have not been successful so I will only say this:

Thank you for your response. I always enjoy a good debate.

I'm glad you were able to protect yourself without killing anyone but I still believe that no good can come from mixing guns with alcohol, drugs or crowded places.

I do not begrudge you your gun or your ability to protect yourself. I support *responsible and sensible* gun ownership. I do not think having a gun on you while under the influence or taking a gun along in a crowded place is responsible or sensible.

I would not drive while under the influence, nor would I drive through a shopping mall; not only because these things are illegal, but doing so is neither responsible nor sensible, no matter how careful I would *try* to be while doing so.

Likewise, I do not condone hunting while drinking, though I have no problem with either activity in and of itself.

You simply cannot control every variable, therefore I believe doing so is putting others at unnecessary risk.

 

[Boyd]

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I do see your point but that would be the exception rather than the rule......

And to those kids who did columbine ...... Their parents should be held responsible and liable because they were not responsible gun owners... and all around bad parents. Its an example of gun owners giving the responsible ones a bad name.

Yes, and it was later revealed that these “children and shooters of children ” were on antidepressants.

I know, but they werent the owners.. their parents were the gun owners. And if the parents had educated their kids, and kept the guns locked up safely.......... I think a tragedy could have been averted. Its the parents I was referring to that shouldn't have allowed this to happen.