Heelers&Chickens_OhMy :
I feel very attacked so this is my last post. If I was truly 'trolling' I really would have said some rude things and gotten my hand smacked by the moderators. I'm just trying to understand, albeit from an uneducated standpoint, why you want to own guns. This thread is also 25-ish pages long, so it's tough to keep track of who said what. Redhen, I'm sorry if you think I was being snide.
I never intended that my comments be taken literally about all gun owners being rednecks, uneducated, hicks, etc. This is what a city person, who's never owned a gun, never worked with a gun, never seen a reason to use a gun, will think when they hear some one with 20 guns going on about our right to own guns....it's a stereotype that needs to be fought and I still haven't seen how to combat that (can you imagine the field day gov't would have if we suggested gun education in schools? lol)
Yes - I have chickens. 2 I took from a friend to try and cure their bumblefoot, and 3 I've raised since 2 week old chicks. My 3 girls are a white leghorn (Dot), barred rock (Lolita) and an australorp??? (Henrietta). I had a roo, but he started to crow so I culled him and fed him to the dogs.
I see that you clarified some of the names issues. I am glad to understand you a bit better now.. There is no problem here. Peace...
I feel very attacked so this is my last post. If I was truly 'trolling' I really would have said some rude things and gotten my hand smacked by the moderators. I'm just trying to understand, albeit from an uneducated standpoint, why you want to own guns. This thread is also 25-ish pages long, so it's tough to keep track of who said what. Redhen, I'm sorry if you think I was being snide.
I never intended that my comments be taken literally about all gun owners being rednecks, uneducated, hicks, etc. This is what a city person, who's never owned a gun, never worked with a gun, never seen a reason to use a gun, will think when they hear some one with 20 guns going on about our right to own guns....it's a stereotype that needs to be fought and I still haven't seen how to combat that (can you imagine the field day gov't would have if we suggested gun education in schools? lol)
Yes - I have chickens. 2 I took from a friend to try and cure their bumblefoot, and 3 I've raised since 2 week old chicks. My 3 girls are a white leghorn (Dot), barred rock (Lolita) and an australorp??? (Henrietta). I had a roo, but he started to crow so I culled him and fed him to the dogs.
Boyd asked:
Roughly, where do you live....
What is the population consisting of in your area
Do you live in or around a major city
How much does violent crime affect your life
And have you ever had to defend yourself from an attack?
I was raised in suburban San Diego. I still live in a suburban area. Phoenix is a pretty big city...I think it's the 5th largest city in the US? I have yet to see a violent crime take place near me, my home or my family.
That being said - SWAT has been in the neighborhood I live in now twice in the past year. I am very supportive of owning guns in your home (that you know how to safely operate) to protect your property and family. Better believe I have considered purchasing a gun and going through the necessary training!!
Also I think a problem gun owners run into is the statement 'we need to protect ourselves from government'. I understand that many folks are worried about a V for Vendetta future, but many people feel safe with the politicians they elected. I am worried about corporate greedy interests taking over the world (I think some one mentioned the Columbine shooter was on anti-depressants - girl I'm in total agreement with what you're trying to say there!). Would my fears also result in a Farenheit 451 setting? I don't know, but many people don't see that coming.
You have convinced me that yes, it would be stupid to walk around with an unloaded gun (however, I think part of the problem is understanding bullet in the barrel vs a loaded magazine - good ol' boyfriend explained that part to me last night). I don't think you would get much accomplished with an unloaded gun for protection. I understand that to have a CCW you go through a lot a lot of training...but there is part of me that thinks 'if you wanted to carry a gun all the time, why didn't you become a police officer or join the military'? I don't want to get in a big argument over that, it's just a thought. The world we live in is crazy and I see why you feel the need to protect yourself, but I do feel it's unnecessary all the time. Do I want to take away your rights to a CCW? Absolutely not. Do I feel it's unnecessary - yes. The same way I feel Ferraris and other fast cars are unnecessary - a ford focus does thes same job, just a little slower (I'm sure you could compare that to the police force though
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Unfortunately, this kind of "what are you, crazy? The police will protect you! We don't need them!" attitude is what gun owners are up against, as I'm sure you're aware. Unfortunately, I think the only way people become educated about guns is either by growing up with them or 'marrying in'. I don't think most people will go through a 25 page thread, be called a troll, and then give you the same conclusions I have. Yes, I am 'ignorant', 'uneducated' when it comes to guns, but I'm open to discussion. Rights are taken away all the time for all kinds of reasons (abortion & women's right to privacy are highly debated hot topics that come to mind) - people need to be shown that guns are not abused, which is hard to prove.
Roughly, where do you live....
What is the population consisting of in your area
Do you live in or around a major city
How much does violent crime affect your life
And have you ever had to defend yourself from an attack?
I was raised in suburban San Diego. I still live in a suburban area. Phoenix is a pretty big city...I think it's the 5th largest city in the US? I have yet to see a violent crime take place near me, my home or my family.
That being said - SWAT has been in the neighborhood I live in now twice in the past year. I am very supportive of owning guns in your home (that you know how to safely operate) to protect your property and family. Better believe I have considered purchasing a gun and going through the necessary training!!
Also I think a problem gun owners run into is the statement 'we need to protect ourselves from government'. I understand that many folks are worried about a V for Vendetta future, but many people feel safe with the politicians they elected. I am worried about corporate greedy interests taking over the world (I think some one mentioned the Columbine shooter was on anti-depressants - girl I'm in total agreement with what you're trying to say there!). Would my fears also result in a Farenheit 451 setting? I don't know, but many people don't see that coming.
You have convinced me that yes, it would be stupid to walk around with an unloaded gun (however, I think part of the problem is understanding bullet in the barrel vs a loaded magazine - good ol' boyfriend explained that part to me last night). I don't think you would get much accomplished with an unloaded gun for protection. I understand that to have a CCW you go through a lot a lot of training...but there is part of me that thinks 'if you wanted to carry a gun all the time, why didn't you become a police officer or join the military'? I don't want to get in a big argument over that, it's just a thought. The world we live in is crazy and I see why you feel the need to protect yourself, but I do feel it's unnecessary all the time. Do I want to take away your rights to a CCW? Absolutely not. Do I feel it's unnecessary - yes. The same way I feel Ferraris and other fast cars are unnecessary - a ford focus does thes same job, just a little slower (I'm sure you could compare that to the police force though
Unfortunately, this kind of "what are you, crazy? The police will protect you! We don't need them!" attitude is what gun owners are up against, as I'm sure you're aware. Unfortunately, I think the only way people become educated about guns is either by growing up with them or 'marrying in'. I don't think most people will go through a 25 page thread, be called a troll, and then give you the same conclusions I have. Yes, I am 'ignorant', 'uneducated' when it comes to guns, but I'm open to discussion. Rights are taken away all the time for all kinds of reasons (abortion & women's right to privacy are highly debated hot topics that come to mind) - people need to be shown that guns are not abused, which is hard to prove.
I see that you clarified some of the names issues. I am glad to understand you a bit better now.. There is no problem here. Peace...
