Hands on hatching and help

Hey there, new to the thread, and I hope I can bring up this topic....It seems relevant, malpo's are seriously hard to assist.

I've been through some clutches of shipped eggs over the past few months, and I gotta say, they are a different beast entirely. I'm getting wore out over some lousy hatches.

My first shipped clutch ended with 1/3 of the eggs that made it to lockdown dying of malpo.

Since then, I've been trying different things to make sure this doesn't happen again. It hasn't been super successful. Everyone that has some degree of detachement in their cell has about a 50 percent chance of being malpo'd at lockdown. It's emotionally and physically pretty taxing to see this -- I don't like animals suffering if I can do something about it.

Things I have tried:

-Setting the seriously detached or saddled cells in carton for the first ten days, then letting them lay on their side after they more or less stabilized.
-Doing the same thing, but putting the mildly detached and good air cells at a 30 degree angle on their side.
-Putting EVERYONE that has anything less than a perfect, rigid air cell in an upright position until they hatch.

Again, same results with all of these.

If they're in a carton, they get turned three times a day by tilting the carton at a 45 degree angle, right up until lockdown.

Mind you, this ONLY happens with eggs with some degree of air cell detachment...I recently got a clutch of shipped eggs that had really beautiful air cells, and everybody that made it to lockdown came out like popcorn.

I have a clutch hatching right now that's doing the same. I'm running out of ways to handle this; even slightly weird cells are becoming a nigh death sentence around here, and I just can't help but think there's SOMETHING I can do to give them better than a 50/50 shot. Any other suggestions?
 
Hey there, new to the thread, and I hope I can bring up this topic....It seems relevant, malpo's are seriously hard to assist.

I've been through some clutches of shipped eggs over the past few months, and I gotta say, they are a different beast entirely. I'm getting wore out over some lousy hatches.

My first shipped clutch ended with 1/3 of the eggs that made it to lockdown dying of malpo.

Since then, I've been trying different things to make sure this doesn't happen again. It hasn't been super successful. Everyone that has some degree of detachement in their cell has about a 50 percent chance of being malpo'd at lockdown. It's emotionally and physically pretty taxing to see this -- I don't like animals suffering if I can do something about it.

Things I have tried:

-Setting the seriously detached or saddled cells in carton for the first ten days, then letting them lay on their side after they more or less stabilized.
-Doing the same thing, but putting the mildly detached and good air cells at a 30 degree angle on their side.
-Putting EVERYONE that has anything less than a perfect, rigid air cell in an upright position until they hatch.

Again, same results with all of these.

If they're in a carton, they get turned three times a day by tilting the carton at a 45 degree angle, right up until lockdown.

Mind you, this ONLY happens with eggs with some degree of air cell detachment...I recently got a clutch of shipped eggs that had really beautiful air cells, and everybody that made it to lockdown came out like popcorn.

I have a clutch hatching right now that's doing the same. I'm running out of ways to handle this; even slightly weird cells are becoming a nigh death sentence around here, and I just can't help but think there's SOMETHING I can do to give them better than a 50/50 shot. Any other suggestions?

You are right. Shipped eggs are a different beast. Sometimes it doesn't matter what you do you can't make it better.

I don't generally do shipped, the one I did was so expertly packed I had awesome air cells.

I will say this though. I stop turning at day 14. The development chart starts that chicks turn to the large end at day 14. Eggs do not need to be turned at that point, so I don't. I don't have issues with malpos. I talked to another member that was having a major issue with malpos, I told them my theory. Now mind you, I can not say with any certainty that contributes to why I don't have issues, but I felt it was worth mentioning. They decided to give it a try since it wouldn't hurt anything and reported back to me that the amount of malpos dropped significantly in that hatch. It could be purely coincidence. I don't know.

Also, if an egg doesn't loose enough moisture preventing the air cell to grow adequately, the chick can grow too large to make the turn. With wonky air cells, it's much harder to judge the growth sometimes.

Just my thoughts on it.
 
Hey there, new to the thread, and I hope I can bring up this topic....It seems relevant, malpo's are seriously hard to assist.

I've been through some clutches of shipped eggs over the past few months, and I gotta say, they are a different beast entirely. I'm getting wore out over some lousy hatches.

My first shipped clutch ended with 1/3 of the eggs that made it to lockdown dying of malpo.

Since then, I've been trying different things to make sure this doesn't happen again. It hasn't been super successful. Everyone that has some degree of detachement in their cell has about a 50 percent chance of being malpo'd at lockdown. It's emotionally and physically pretty taxing to see this -- I don't like animals suffering if I can do something about it.

Things I have tried:

-Setting the seriously detached or saddled cells in carton for the first ten days, then letting them lay on their side after they more or less stabilized.
-Doing the same thing, but putting the mildly detached and good air cells at a 30 degree angle on their side.
-Putting EVERYONE that has anything less than a perfect, rigid air cell in an upright position until they hatch.

Again, same results with all of these.

If they're in a carton, they get turned three times a day by tilting the carton at a 45 degree angle, right up until lockdown.

Mind you, this ONLY happens with eggs with some degree of air cell detachment...I recently got a clutch of shipped eggs that had really beautiful air cells, and everybody that made it to lockdown came out like popcorn.

I have a clutch hatching right now that's doing the same. I'm running out of ways to handle this; even slightly weird cells are becoming a nigh death sentence around here, and I just can't help but think there's SOMETHING I can do to give them better than a 50/50 shot. Any other suggestions?
I've also been hatching shipped eggs and for a couple of months I didn't have one hatch. After fiddling around with the humidity and the aircells I decided to try the forget about them method. I basically put them in and forget about them until just before lockdown I will candle and remove the duds. I don't put any water in so I do dry hatch and it's worked for me ever since. I think I will try the stop turning at day 14 though see how that goes
 
I was wondering, when you turn eggs, do you roll them over on their side? Or do you pick up the egg and flip it upside down?

If you are incubating them laying down you roll them from one side to the other. If you are incubating upright in cartons you tilt 45degrees on side then back to the other. Eggs hatched upright should always be air cell up pointy end down. They should never be flipped from one end to the other.
 

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