Hands on hatching and help

[Sarkchick]

@RubyNala97
Thanks for checking back. Duckling still has not pipped internally. Still movement, but slower.
Hope your feeling better
Thanks again. Linda

 

[AmyLynn2374]

What's the percent of good hatching on buff Japanese bantams? I had eight eggs in the incubator but only 2 were good. They are suppose to hatch any day now any tips on what to do? I have hatched chicks out before but never Japanese bantams. I have turkey eggs in their also but still turning those should I separate the bantam eggs so the incubator isn't being opened to turn them or are they fine? They should be hatching out Wednesday to Friday

Japanese bantams carry the creeper gene which is fatal. 1/4 of the chicks die in the shell because of getting 2 copies of the gene. 1/4 produce longer leg bantams and 1/2 will be typical. So you get a few losses with the breed that are of no fault of the incubation process.

First, I know this is a hatching forum but is anyone watching Bates Motel tonight? Can you tell I'm excited!?!

Sorry to hear about your heart attack! Yes, I'm ready. I've been feeling so guilty the past few months. My children don't know I smoke and I'm always sneaking around outside to get a couple drags. I feel like I'm lying to them just to end up killing myself and cutting my time short with them. I know that sounds dramatic but it's a fact! Summer is coming (eventually...can't tell by our cold weather) and that always makes it harder to sneak around because they play outside. I'm just ready to not be enslaved by this addiction any longer. I know if I try hard enough I can do it! I would love your support! The e-cig has been working incredibly well. I'm hoping if I can stay off the real ones for a couple weeks then I can cutback on the e-cig.

Ps...we can do this!!
How's it doing today?
Thank you! You can do it when the time is right! Any luck with a new car?
Thank you! And trust me 3/6 for lost, shipped, old eggs is incredible!
10 years ago I quit cold turkey for 5 years! It was great! But then I went through a divorce and picked it back up with a vengeance! I keep telling myself if I did it once, I can do it again!! Thank you for the encouragement!

My neighbor has a ton of peafowl. They are gorgeous birds. That's where I got the eggs. Being local really was a bonus. I've never hatched ducks (I'm trying calls now) so I can't compare. There's a ton of great forums here on BYC under "peafowl" that really helped me. I laid them down and hand turned. They weren't that hard. But I did have to do my first assist ever, on the first pea egg to pip. It was totally malpositioned but ended up a beautiful, healthy girl! The hard part is really after they hatch! Oh my goodness....they need a LOT of attention and imprint very easy. They would scream their heads off every time I walked out of the room and they couldn't see me. I posted a video of it here on BYC from my old phone. Maybe it's on my page? Then they start flying by 5 days old! They would fly right out of the brooder and land on my shoulders or right on top of my head. They wouldn't go to bed at night until I put them to sleep...I'm not even remotely exaggerating! I had to make it part of my nighttime routine. They would be tired and want to go to sleep so they would start crying incessantly until
I picked them up, wrapped them in a blanket and petted them till they fell asleep. Then I would lay them in the brooder (still in the blanket) trying not to move, waiting to pull my arm out so I wouldn't wake them. It was totally NUTS!! They really need/want a "mom". By 4 months old I was more then ready to send them home to my neighbor. But they still know me every time I visit they come right up to me. I did spoil them rotten. So just be prepared, you have been forewarned! Lol. But I've heard the ones that are hand raised are much easier to care for as adults. They'll stay close to home, let you administer medication, ect. Keep me posted when you decide to try them.
I actually did full eggtopsies on my last hatch (I usually don't anymore) just to get some good pics. I had a couple like this. One even had a fully absorbed yolk sac and looked perfect. Sometimes there's just no visable signs of why they quit. Maybe something internal or neurological.
Do you think your temps may have been a bit low to cause the delay? As long as the malpositioned pipper can breathe then give it sometime. They take longer because the external pip is actually the internal pip also. Good job on the other ones!!

No. Looking at trying to come up with the money to rebuild the transmission. So frustrating.

 

[WVduckchick]

Japanese bantams carry the creeper gene which is fatal. 1/4 of the chicks die in the shell because of getting 2 copies of the gene. 1/4 produce longer leg bantams and 1/2 will be typical. So you get a few losses with the breed that are of no fault of the incubation process.

I was thinking, and I could very well be wrong, but I thought it depended whether the mating was 2 short leggeds together, or a short with a long.

 

[AmyLynn2374]

I was thinking, and I could very well be wrong, but I thought it depended whether the mating was 2 short leggeds together, or a short with a long.

When I hatched mine, all the research that I read did not address a difference. It addressed it as a breed thing.

 

[WVduckchick]

When I hatched mine, all the research that I read did not address a difference. It addressed it as a breed thing.

Ok, I was thinking only the short legged ones carried the gene, but I'm sure you researched more than I did

I had a beautiful black tail buff, actually hatched 4 of them with my sebrigbts last Sept, but 3 died the first weekend when I left for a while and the brooder light burned out. They trampled each other. The one that survived was a beauty, but I gave her away. Had too many breeds. Lol

 

[AmyLynn2374]

@WVduckchick I found it!!!

Japanese Bantams carry the dominant creeper gene Cp which gives the breed short legs. If two short legged birds are bred together, according to Mendals law, 25% of the offspring will be pure for Cp, a lethal gene combination which causes a disability making them unable to hatch. 50% of the offspring will carry one Cp gene and are therefore short legged as per the breed standard and the final 25% will not carry the gene and be long legged. Breeding a short legged with a long legged will produce 50% short legged, 50% long legged without any lethal embryos.

Maybe most of what I read did not address it because the ideal is to get the short legs??

 

[AmyLynn2374]

Ok, I was thinking only the short legged ones carried the gene, but I'm sure you researched more than I did

I had a beautiful black tail buff, actually hatched 4 of them with my sebrigbts last Sept, but 3 died the first weekend when I left for a while and the brooder light burned out. They trampled each other. The one that survived was a beauty, but I gave her away. Had too many breeds. Lol

No you're right. I found one that I hadn't read.

After you said that it started to make sense so I had to go and google directly for that scenerio.

 

[WVduckchick]

@WVduckchick I found it!!! [COLOR=333333]Japanese Bantams carry the dominant creeper gene [/COLOR]Cp [COLOR=333333] which gives the breed short legs. If two short legged birds are bred together, according to Mendals law, 25% of the offspring will be pure for [/COLOR]Cp [COLOR=333333], a lethal gene combination which causes a disability making them unable to hatch. 50% of the offspring will carry one [/COLOR]Cp [COLOR=333333] gene and are therefore short legged as per the breed standard and the final 25% will not carry the gene and be long legged. Breeding a short legged with a long legged will produce 50% short legged, 50% long legged without any lethal embryos.[/COLOR] [COLOR=333333]Maybe most of what I read did not address it because the ideal is to get the short legs??[/COLOR]

Aha! Nice! Yes, mines legs were pretty short, but long by breed standard.

 

[AmyLynn2374]

So you are either going to breed 2 short legged and have a chance of only 50% short legged, 25% long and 25% dead, or short to long and still only get 50% short, but no deaths due to the gene.

 

[Ravynscroft]

I was thinking, and I could very well be wrong, but I thought it depended whether the mating was 2 short leggeds together, or a short with a long.

When I hatched mine, all the research that I read did not address a difference. It addressed it as a breed thing.

Actually, WV is correct... it is 2 copies of the creeper gene that is lethal, and the creeper gene is dominant so if it's there, they have the extremely short legs... breeding 2 of those together gives the odds AmyL stated... but breeding a short legged to a long legged gives 50/50 short and long...

Creeper gene breeds exactly the same way as the lethal double tufting genes in Araucanas... I'm just lucky the Ohiki don't carry the creeper gene, lol...