Hands on hatching and help

[RubyNala97]

Hey guys I'm torn up. One of the 2 that was chirping and trying to pip died. I checked on it and it was making no noise and no movement. I tapped and it was completely still. I opened the egg and it's perfectly formed and ready to hatch. Yoke was absorbed and the blood vessels had receded. I'm kicking myself. I feel like I should have made a pip for it earlier when it was lively. The second one is still alive and chirping. I don't know what to do. Every chick in this batch has had problems from the beginning. Should I help the other one? What if it dies before it can hatch. We are going into day 23 and only one has successfully hatched. Please some help here would be so appreciated. I don't want to lose this other baby!!

Trust me, I know how you feel. My last shipped call duck hatch, I had made a safety hole for one that was internally pipped and 24 hours later it was dead. It was a perfect little duck. No yolk, no blood and it had oxygen, so I do not know why it died. It's heart breaking and terrible but it happens.

Sorry, I had several emergencies happen at once... :/

Shipped are a crap shoot, really... I completely understand them being important, but usually if they are struggling that much and can't externally pip themselves, assisting usually ends badly as well... don't beat yourself up, please...

X2!

I was probably one of Ravyn's emergencies. Let me tell you, you are a life saver in tough situations!!! Everyone needs to know that I'm indebted to you!

Thanks everyone I am opening them now. I won't touch the membrane yet. I'm going to try to find the beaks I'll update. Found one already. It was on the wrong end of the egg.

I had a question about this...were they internally pipped? Or did you find the beak through the membrane?

I know this has been a rough hatch for you. You've had amazing luck at shipped eggs before this. This hatch you've had now is way common for shipped. Don't beat yourself up. I've hatched so many batches of shipped silkie eggs and I have had good hatches but also lots of bad hatches. I know how it feels.

 

[jenniferlamar70]

Trust me, I know how you feel. My last shipped call duck hatch, I had made a safety hole for one that was internally pipped and 24 hours later it was dead. It was a perfect little duck. No yolk, no blood and it had oxygen, so I do not know why it died. It's heart breaking and terrible but it happens.
X2!

I was probably one of Ravyn's emergencies. Let me tell you, you are a life saver in tough situations!!! Everyone needs to know that I'm indebted to you!
I had a question about this...were they internally pipped? Or did you find the beak through the membrane?


I know this has been a rough hatch for you. You've had amazing luck at shipped eggs before this. This hatch you've had now is way common for shipped. Don't beat yourself up. I've hatched so many batches of shipped silkie eggs and I have had good hatches but also lots of bad hatches. I know how it feels.

I found the beak through the membrane. I started at the air cell and worked my way down. I tried to make a hole in the membrane for it to breath and it started bleeding. I staunchest the blood but it was to much. I really tried though..



I guess I have been really lucky. I have a whole bunch of chicks due at different times this week. I hope these all go well. This hatch has definitely shaken me.

 

[casportpony]

Quote: I'm no expert, but I think it's a combo of humidity and temp, since this seems to happen most with artificially incubated chicks, and not so much with chicks hatched by broodies. A group of us in the peafowl forum call these fat and swollen chicks "juicy chicks".

-Kathy

 

[jenniferlamar70]

I'm no expert, but I think it's a combo of humidity and temp, since this seems to happen most with artificially incubated chicks, and not so much with chicks hatched by broodies. A group of us in the peafowl forum call these fat and swollen chicks "juicy chicks". 

-Kathy

Good to know for future hatches. Poor babies.

 

[casportpony]

I'm no expert, but I think it's a combo of humidity and temp, since this seems to happen most with artificially incubated chicks, and not so much with chicks hatched by broodies. A group of us in the peafowl forum call these fat and swollen chicks "juicy chicks". 

-Kathy

Good to know for future hatches. Poor babies.

Another thing... I noticed that the juicy ones have a harder time piping and zipping.

-Kathy

 

[jenniferlamar70]

Another thing... I noticed that the juicy ones have a harder time piping and zipping.

-Kathy

Yes this one internally pipped but after 24 hours still hadn't made an external pip and was tiring. It had a vein right around its face and neck. I though maybe that's why it hadn't pipped because it couldn't move it's head at all..

 

[jenniferlamar70]

I just thought I'd give one more update. Our little chick has become slightly mobile. She is also eating and drinking a bit. She is doing so well.

 

[RubyNala97]

I found the beak through the membrane. I started at the air cell and worked my way down. I tried to make a hole in the membrane for it to breath and it started bleeding. I staunchest the blood but it was to much. I really tried though..



I guess I have been really lucky. I have a whole bunch of chicks due at different times this week. I hope these all go well. This hatch has definitely shaken me.

Gotcha. I thought the chick survived. I am totally intrigued by creating an internal pip. I tried it once too (I was super scared and nervous and my hands were shaking) and I was not fast enough, the chick didn't make it. That was a shipped silkie batch and I think around 6-8 made lockdown and the air cell actually drew down and I watched them struggle against the membrane for 2 days without internally pipping. One by one they each died. So with the last one that I could still see movement in, I thought I had nothing to loose but try. And it didn't work. Maybe if I had gotten the beak out quicker. It was below the air cell and I poked around to long. I also had a shipped call egg I was tempted to try it on but to scared. I know a BYC member that does shipped on a regular basis and she is awesome at it...she opens those babies up and finds the beak and gets the out alive! I give you credit for trying. I look at it like surgery. Hopefully some day I can do it, successfully.

Eta: because my phone changes "pipping" to "pulling"...you think it would know what I'm talking about by now!

 

[Pyxis]

Can I complain a little again? In a thread a member said they have five hens and one rooster and all their hens' back are completely bare, and asked if they should separate the rooster. I of course said yes.

Then two more posters came in and said "Oh no, don't worry about it, keep letting your rooster overmate your hens, you know, as long as they get along with the rooster." Two! And these were not new members. Both have been around longer than me!

That and I had a brand new member come into a thread and start arguing with me that a red sex link hen was a new hampshire hen. When I pointed out the obvious fact that the hen wasn't colored right for a new hampshire at all they came back with "well their colors fade as they get older". Just

This keeps happening to me lately and it's getting really frustrating. There was also the one person who refused to accept that their polish cockerel was a cockerel even though at three months it had huge pronounced wattles and a swept back crest. The poster's response was that it wasn't crowing and its crest didn't look like their other polish cockerels' crests. Then they proceeded to post a picture of one of their 'polish' cockerels to prove me wrong and...it was a brabanter. Which I told them. But nope, they then just dug their heels in and insisted that it was a polish!

Anyway. I feel better getting all that out. Lol. Sorry. Carry on.

 

[jenniferlamar70]

Gotcha. I thought the chick survived. I am totally intrigued by creating an internal pip. I tried it once too (I was super scared and nervous and my hands were shaking) and I was not fast enough, the chick didn't make it. That was a shipped silkie batch and I think around 6-8 made lockdown and the air cell actually drew down and I watched them struggle against the membrane for 2 days without internally pipping. One by one they each died. So with the last one that I could still see movement in, I thought I had nothing to loose but try. And it didn't work. Maybe if I had gotten the beak out quicker. It was below the air cell and I poked around to long. I also had a shipped call egg I was tempted to try it on but to scared. I know a BYC member that does shipped on a regular basis and she is awesome at it...she opens those babies up and finds the beak and gets the out alive! I give you credit for trying. I look at it like surgery. Hopefully some day I can do it, successfully.

Eta: because my phone changes "pipping" to "pulling"...you think it would know what I'm talking about by now!

Wow their is someone who can successfully create an internal pip. I hope to aspire to that someday. I keep saying that I can't do it anymore but I can't really give it up. I've fallen in love with all this and these chicks. It just breaks your heart when things don't go the way you expected. Even though only 3 made it and only 2 are 100 percent healthy I'm still happy I hatched them. I'm so in love with these solid babies. I don't think I've ever felt this maternal over a chick but I'm so happy I have them!!