Has anyone ever color crssed black and white polish bantams?

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

O kay, I have 6 or 7 white polish bantam hens some bearded some not, but no roos, I also have 2 jet black bantam roos but no hens. I had planed to put these together and see what happens color wise. Have any of you ever tried this? If so, what was the out come?
I know many of the colors of polish can be bred together and you will get some of both colors, with no mixes, but will this work one the black roo over white hen ?
Thanks
Aubrey

 

[Kanchii]

I think it depends what they carry. You'll never really know until you try.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

That's kind of what I thought.
Thanks

 

[ThePolishPrincess]

If the black male is not crested, the gene will be less dominant and the offspring will carry a smaller crest than the mother. You will most likely end up with black and white mixed offspring if you try a few eggs. The beard may not be strong but still visible in offspring if the mother had a beard.

We crossed our WCB Polish banty hen with our W Sultan bany roo and got a blue daughter. It was wierd, how we were expecting her to be either all black, all white, or WCB, like her mother. A nice surprise. Her crest, even though she aquired the crested-trait from two parents, sides with her father to this day and is smaller than the average Polish's. (As Sultans have smaller crests than Polish-fowl.)

Just an example to show what crazy things can happen with out-of-nowhere-colors like this!

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

Made for a nice looking bird none the less didnt it!

Our roos do have the huge flowing crest so maybe they will retain that, and all but 2 of the white hens are bearded also with huge pompoms. They all came from 2 of the top breeders in the country, just didnt end up with correct sexes for breeding, so I was thinking of " playing " with these this year.
Would be nice if they would breed true though?
Either way, I plan to order more this year from my breeders to try for the correct sexes to mate for next spring.
Thanks for your input on them. I will definatelt post pics of the first hatches!
Aubrey

 

[ThePolishPrincess]

Thanks. She's a love.

In such case, you'll end up with 100% afro-ed chicks. Doesn't matter the color, only that both are Polish. And well bred, at that! I've read about the blue gene in chickens and people are still trying to figure out how it works. I'd love to see what you get when you try it out. Until then, it wouldn't hurt to try and 'sketch out' the outcomes, and see what's likely to hatch out. The chick I posted was born with a blue body and yellow downly crest, so I was going for WC Blue.

Who knows? If this all works, and you could follow through that old rule: 'Keep only the best, cull all the rest,' you could breed some fine fowl and even make a new color.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

Thanks,
That is how we do all our birds, cull hard if they aren't just right.

I have an old man down the road who just loves us, cause he gets all the "culls" . He thinks we're crazy for it as he doesn't see the difference, BUT we can. And I want to just keep the best to breed with in the end.
We don't show, but we intend to breed for breeder and or show quality on the majority of our birds.

It would be cool to get a new color out of this! I'll definitely keep you posted.
So, are you saying that the crest in your experience are largely influenced more by the roos?

Hey, by the way, you don't happen to raise pure sultan bantams do you? I have a gorgeous girl, but need to find some good eggs this year to get some more.
I'm a crested bantam addict, crevies, polish, sultans and silkies,
Just cant get enough of them!
Thanks for all the advise on my experiment!
Aubrey

 

[ThePolishPrincess]

Haha, nope. Just a hobbiest over here.

I've never in my life culled a bird. I believe that if something's in pain, it's gotta go, but I'm not the type of person to spread my biased opinion on anyone. I love all crested fowl. As far as chickens go, I'd love to look into making a whole Polish flock. Not realistic now, but hey, I never know what the future brings.

It's good that you have someone to 'take birds off your hands'. Where we live, the rural areas seem to be getting smaller and smaller every day. No one raises exhibition fowl, at that. Only for eggs, if raised at all. So even if I did breed, who would be interested? Lots of flaws with my plans. But for now, I only carry the interest to take care of my girls until their days are done. These fancy fowl tend to grow on you...I've already made my decision that they're going to live to be old ladies and that's that.

But enough of my ranting. I'm going to show for the first time in June. I've been looking forward to it and counting the days like mad. Sadly, this is nothing to be happy for, because the fowl we're showing is going to be hatchary bred. Yes, we're ordering 3 Polish pullets and 1 Spitz from MPC. Over all, we've done pros and cons and see that: 1. They sex all the chicks and we can't have any more roos, 2. We needed someone with a small order policy, and 3. We've heard great things about this hatchary. I don't expect to win any show, just to have a good time with displaying my pet-quality fowl, and seeing what everyone else has to offer.

I've had little experience with breeding fowl, period. Our coop is small and we can't supply a large amount of birds at all. Our current ratio is 3 roos: 10 hens! (That's why we're doing a small order, if any at all.) The reason I'm able to help out is because I tend to scan crested breed sites online and learn as much as I can. The info has proven to come in handy over the years and I've learned alot about what my girls and guys can handle. I find that males don't have too much of an influence on offspring, unless the two parents differ majorly from each other. For example, my Sultan roo was bred from a hatchary, and the result, not only was he a very skimpy, unhealthy chick from birth, but his crest was small. He was less than pet quality. Our WCB hen, also from the same hatchary, was too pet quality, but she was normally bred. We feel the father's crest had the influence to shrink his daughter's, not that it matters much now. She's almost fully grown now, and looks like a blue Sulta with semi-feathered feet, 4 toes, and her mother's beak and leg colors. (Not to mention that she has spurs and has passed that onto her daughter, by the way!)

Needless to say, I don't raise Sultan fowl. That one rooster I had, which I mentioned was unhealthy at a young age, recently passed away from an illness. He had a great disposition and although his genes were less than pet quality, he was the only rooster I've had that had grown attatched to people. (Half the reason we bred his daughter.) If I ever come across a breeder in my travels, I'll track you down and send you a PM.

Whoa, sorry for all that. It's hard to find anyone who shares a love for the mop-heads of the chicken world.

P.S.-I hear disposition can have a major influence on that of the offspring. Our Polish hen had a son who was part D'uccle and is father was a demon. Attacked people, went after a young child at one time, hates human contact, etc...The son is the same way, but because of my big, forgiving heart, I can't bare to throw them away. I only look to use them as an example and show others that this will happen. So, if any of your boys are bad, or turn bad,I wouldn't take the chance.

Good luck reaching this dream of yours. You're going to get there before I will.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

Ha,
I hear ya. I love to talk about them.
Like you said, not many folks share the same love of the breed here locally, so they only way to find folks to talk to about them is here on-line.
I also know what you mean about the meanness!
We have a blue polish bantam roo, that is just pure evil .
Due to a small crest, his v comb was very aparent, and gives him a devil horn look, I guess it was our fault there, after all we named him

DAMEON!

LOL

You can kind of see it in his eyes cant you?


I guess we should have thought that threw a little better, seems he took it personally!,
Anyway, he has been removed from breeding, mainly due to the lack of a full crest, but now for the dispossition concerns too!!

We did keep him though he's a yard bird now.

Anyway, good luck at the show, at the very least it should be a blast.
We have been thinking of going to some ourselves, but can never seem to find the time . One day!

Take us some pics while you're there!
Aubrey

 

[ThePolishPrincess]

Hah, sorry. Couldn't get online yesterday. To reply, our Polish D'uccle mix also has a wild crest. Had to name him Dash, due to his incredible speeds, but he's a monster. He's picked a fight with me several times, although I've never let him have the satisfaction of winning. Every time I think about getting rid of him, the image of him being such a cute, adorable chick takes over my head and I just can't do it. I can't get rid of my baby.

I wish I could get a pic of his rediculous crest, but my camara has decided to die out on me. I'll take a pic soon enough, and don't worry. I'll post tons of pics when showing time comes. I'm a camara fiend when it comes to poultry.

So, okay, your boy has a very...err...different crest. Reminds me of my Sultan's. But his coloring is certainly pretty. These crested fowl have attitude, and that would explain why they're always getting themselves into trouble.

I'll never learn.