Hatcheries that vaccinate for coccidiosis

[Tami2]

You are thinking about it backwards. Not your fault - there is little interest in producing educated consumers, and LOTS of interest in selling them on the added value of buzz words. Its a deliberately crafted appeal to ignorance, but ignorance that "sounds right".

To explain by analogy? Modern chickens need a super multi-vitamin that Nature on her own can't provide if you limit your feed to largely unprocessed organic sources.

The intent of a feed company is NOT to make the best feed possible - its to sell the most feed it can at some reasonable profit. Which is why you often see all kinds of buzz words on feed labels which have little if anything to do with optimizing a chicken's nutritional inputs.

and the inclusion of some products is limited by law - there is, in fact, a persistent effort to remove dl-Methionine (already limited) from the list of "acceptable" in "Organic" labeled products. See for instance. and "high Met Corn" is a GMO.

Think of it this way, rattle snake venom is organic, free range and all natural. Is it healthy for you?
I think what storm crow is saying is thar we've bred chicken over the last decades to need more nutrition since they grow faster and lay more, for longer. Typically, Organic feed can't meet these needs since there are no/little organic sources for certain nutrients, if they include these ingredients, they loose organic status. if they don't add them, they have organic feed that's lacking nutritionally. Organic is simply a farming method, the resulting crops/meat/etc, aren't necessarily more or less nutritious than non-organic produce. Most crops are borderline organic, but since there's an obscene amount of red tape, paperwork, money and oversight needed to certify it, most farmers don't bother. Gmos aren't as scary as people think once some research is done, they're simple crops designed to have more nutrition, yield better or do better in poor soil/water areas or resistance to blights. Gmo crops (say potatoes or corn) allow nutrious food to be grown in areas that wouldn't support those crops of they were 'heritage', like central Africa. Scientists are working on potatoes that are high in vitamin A, since lack of vitamin A causes serious health problems like blindness in children. Vitamin a crops aren't readily available everywhere but potatos do well in many places. :]

Yes, I understand that.

It's difficult to discern the truth these days in this culture of corruption.
Thank you both for your time on this matter. Appreciate it.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

Oddly enough, this is a case where we benefit from study. Places like China and India desperately want to feed their populations, and are at a few of the cutting edges in chicken nutrition research, which at this point, is better understood (thankfully!) than human nutrition. The EU is at the cutting edge of amino acid supplimentation research, because they don't have the cropland we do in the US, so they can't simply aim (as we do) for higher protein in hopes of hitting desired AA levels.

So rather than having to rely on what Purina says is best, or Nutrena, or Scratch & Peck, or whomever commercial feed mfg, we can look at the research - and we can pit old (often Company sponsored) US research up against more recent EU University research, Indian research (some university, some commercial), Chinese research (all state-sponsored) and a smaller amount of research coming out of Africa.

When they all closely agree, we can then use those numbers to compare against nutritional analysis for various raw ingredients, and start drawing our own, reasoned, conclusions.

Why, there's even research on which forms of calcium are best, and why (hint: its NOT the calcium I use, or the calcium most commonly used here in the US).

We benefit from global differences in conditions, arable crops, etc - but a worldwide supply chain.

 

[BrandonsBirbs]

Oddly enough, this is a case where we benefit from study. Places like China and India desperately want to feed their populations, and are at a few of the cutting edges in chicken nutrition research, which at this point, is better understood (thankfully!) than human nutrition. The EU is at the cutting edge of amino acid supplimentation research, because they don't have the cropland we do in the US, so they can simply aim (as we do) for higher protein in hopes of hitting desired AA levels.

So rather than having to rely on what Purina says is best, or Nutrena, or Scratch & Peck, or whomever commercial feed mfg, we can look at the research - and we can pit old (often Company sponsored) US research up against more recent EU University research, Indian research (some university, some commercial), Chinese research (all state-sponsored) and a smaller amount of research coming out of Africa.

When they all closely agree, we can then use those numbers to compare against nutritional analysis for various raw ingredients, and start drawing our own, reasoned, conclusions.

Why, there's even research on which forms of calcium are best, and why (hint: its NOT the calcium I use, or the calcium most commonly used here in the US).

We benefit from global differences in conditions, arable crops, etc - but a worldwide supply chain.

You're a true fountain of knowledge, I love learning so much from reading your posts. You type very clearly and it's very easy to understand what you're explaining. Just saying I appreciate you!

 

[U_Stormcrow]

You're a true fountain of knowledge, I love learning so much from reading your posts. You type very clearly and it's very easy to understand what you're explaining. Just saying I appreciate you!

I only started looking at this maybe 9 months ago. All my sources are free, BYC introduced me to several of them, and I read from there.

Absolutely no reason any other person with the time and the willingness couldn't quickly achieve my level of education on the subject. I'm not an expert, just a well read hobbyist, happy to share sources - since its not my expertise (as some anonymous internet poster) that people should be relying on.

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and you are too kind.

 

[BrandonsBirbs]

I only started looking at this maybe 9 months ago. All my sources are free, BYC introduced me to several of them, and I read from there.

Absolutely no reason any other person with the time and the willingness couldn't quickly achieve my level of education on the subject. I'm not an expert, just a well read hobbyist, happy to share sources - since its not my expertise (as some anonymous internet poster) that people should be relying on.

/edit
and you are too kind.

No need to be so humble, it is pretty awesome dude!

 

[U_Stormcrow]

No need to be so humble, it is pretty awesome dude!

Humility is *NOT* one of my strengths, but i do strive for honesty.

Trust me, I used to joke that my old employer put double doors on the building so I could bring my ego in with me. Its not one of my more socially acceptable qualities.

 

[Pampered chicken girl]

I apologize to Pampered Chicken Girl. I did not intend on hyjacking your thread.
It happened organically ... ha ha see what I did there ...

No problem it's been good to learn. I'm not sure how I got here because I stopped receiving messages when someone post on this thread no idea why but it happened and I came back to check it and saw this. I just read it and it all makes sense, just remember one thing when you are looking for feed always check the label and see if all the vital nutrients are there. Organic, medicated, non-medicated it doesn't matter always check the label to make sure that those vital nutrients have the correct amounts. I like to do things natural and organic to and realize that sometimes natural and organic stuff can't help. I think what everyone's trying to say is make sure that your Feeds have the correct amount of all the amino acids, proteins, vitamins, minerals ect ect that they need.

 

[Pampered chicken girl]

But please keep the recommendations coming on the hatcheries I know mcmurray's does vaccinated but most of the breeds I want aren't in stock for like 7 months and even after that it doesn't show me there in stock it's just stop showing the availability I really don't want to have to wait that long for the chicks any other suggestions

 

[nuthatched]

But please keep the recommendations coming on the hatcheries I know mcmurray's does vaccinated but most of the breeds I want aren't in stock for like 7 months and even after that it doesn't show me there in stock it's just stop showing the availability I really don't want to have to wait that long for the chicks any other suggestions

Every hatchery does, to my knowledge, offer vaccinated chicks. It's really late in the year for chicks, most people pre-order the previous winter or early spring. Try Mt.Healthy, they are a smaller, less known hatchery so they don't sell out as fast.

 

[JacinLarkwell]

Most vaccinated for Mareks.

I've only seen one or two that also vaccinated ate for Coccidiosis