Hatching in an eggcarton

CountryMom , I was going to say about the same thing eggs under a broody are not rolled around. I use the carton to hatch in and have had great results. The last hatch I did that was with out a carton I had chick loss and I truly believe it was due to the eggs getting rolled around. The chicks looked to be in the wrong position to pip. I think it disorients them and they don't pip the air cell and died. And all chicks were alive and looked right at day 18 candling.
Under a hen she holds the eggs close, no way of rolling around.
And her nest is a close fit also not a big wire field to get pushed around on.
It works great for me, and this hen will do what is best for my hatch.
I have just had a great hatch from 37 eggs I have 29 chicks hatched. And this is day 22 so I still could get a few more.
 
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There is no good reason that eggs hatch better in a carton, that I know of.

If yours do, then I would be wanting to check the rest of your techniques.

Hatch rates are easily maximised with not a carton in sight.

I took the same eggs and the same bator and put half my eggs upright
in a quail carton and half on their sides in a tray. The ones in the carton
had a signicantly higher hatch rate. I have used the egg carton method
ever since and have improved my hatch rates.

It could be the carton contacting the egg is helping to stabilize the temps.
Broodies use contact to hatch their eggs. It could be the upright
position of the egg helps and ensures more even turning.

The bottom line is I've had better hatches both in my Little Giant where
I use cartons for only the last 3 days and my Brinsea where I use
cartons for the entire hatch.

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no point in putting someone or another method down. What ever works for the individual. I have used both methods. There is no rule written in stone.
 
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There is no good reason that eggs hatch better in a carton, that I know of.

If yours do, then I would be wanting to check the rest of your techniques.

Hatch rates are easily maximised with not a carton in sight.

I took the same eggs and the same bator and put half my eggs upright
in a quail carton and half on their sides in a tray. The ones in the carton
had a signicantly higher hatch rate. I have used the egg carton method
ever since and have improved my hatch rates.

It could be the carton contacting the egg is helping to stabilize the temps.
Broodies use contact to hatch their eggs. It could be the upright
position of the egg helps and ensures more even turning.

The bottom line is I've had better hatches both in my Little Giant where
I use cartons for only the last 3 days and my Brinsea where I use
cartons for the entire hatch.

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If you used the Brinsea tray dividers the eggs couldn't roll, and there would be no need to add inappropriate materials to the hatcher.

I am still waiting for someone to show me an authoritative reason why we should advise novices to adopt a practise that no professionals consider worthy.

I too used Brinsea Octagons and never had issues.

My question is why would we follow an unproven fad, when equally good results can be had without doing so, if you do it right.

Nice pics, btw.
 
So Twigg, why are you the authority on incubating? I don't mean to be rude, but you don't seem to want to acept that others do things differently. I am extremely happy with my results, have NEVER had one issues of bacterial problems in my incubation, and have proven to MYSELF that I get better results from using a carton in my hatcher. I am extremely HONESTLY happy that you get great results your way and I have NO intentions of saying you do things wrong. You do things differently than I do and some others here who use the carton method, but that is your way and your opinion on your method. Just like it is my way and my opinioin on my method. I don't need "authorities" telling me how I should do things when I have proven it here at home myself. I am not a large hatchery and have to deal with my equipment the way I see if and works for me. Maybe having a open mind and trying like Purple chicken did may get you your "authority" results you need.

SOOOO, let's go back to the OP and answer her question on why she/he is having trouble with a wet carton. After all this was a post on why the carton was wet and not a debate on which method is better or right or wrong. I can only suggest that the humidity is too high or that while adding water some got on the carton. You really need to check to see what percentage you are running at with your humidity.

Sissy, I have just cut out the bottoms only and that left a small hole. All sides were intact which kept the eggs in their holes. I also put all my eggs in the turner pointy side down and into the cartons the same way.
 
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The tray dividers that come with the Brinsea don't work very well,
especially with small eggs. I still have to stuff a paper towel in the
end of each row to fill in the gap and hold the eggs up.

A definate disadvantage to using cartons in the Brinsea is I lose 30%
of my space so I only use the egg cartons with smaller batches of eggs.

I've had plenty of great hatches with my Brinsea without using cartons.

Now, I differ with you saying there are no authoritative reasons
and that this is a fad. Put three "professionals" in a room and you
are bound to have major differences of opinion.

This is not a fad but a technique used my many here who are convinced
it has helped their hatches. No one is forcing this method on anyone.
I remember having a similiar conversation about wigglers.


Twigg, I had a similiar feeling about this at first. Then I tried it in as
controlled an environment as I could create and saw a difference.


I completely agree with you on doing things right but what is right?
We all have different bators, thermometers, ambient conditions,
hatching eggs, etc...

Everyone should probably start with a basic Hova or LG to develop
a firm hatching education and experience level.

Sometimes I wonder if by teaching newbies all these little "tricks" that
we are actually not helping them.

But I digress...
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I agree the humidity may be too high and advised the OP of that in a PM.

This thread is going off topic but sometimes that's a good thing. A lot
can be learned from a good discussion. Twigg has a very strong opinion
on this subject as do we all but I do respect Twiggs opinion, as do I
yours, and as long as this stays peaceful it's a darn good thread.
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