I agree with the rough handling issue, the closer to home I order from--the higher my hatch rates are. I recently ordered 225 Ga Giant Bobs, put 219 in bator set 189 hatched 179. I may be off one or two but thats the jest of it, thats a 79 % hatch I think. But they were ordered from a very large hatchery in Georgia & i am in Central Fla. Ordered some from JJ I think from this forum he's in fla also and had a 96 % hatch. Also ordered some from Tenn awhile back and only had a 46 % hatch, many broke in transit even though they were very well packed. SO I'm a believer that distance/handling sure makes a differance. Sure wish I had a local supplier of larger Qty's.