Help needed customizing low estrogen and gluten free feed

[nuthatched]

What about brewer's yeast and DE?
Any other ingredients I should consider?

Thanks!

DE is an anticaking agent, it's added in most feeds, (2.5% I think) as it's not adding to nutrition.

 

[badgeroo]

DE is an anticaking agent, it's added in most feeds, (2.5% I think) as it's not adding to nutrition.

Doesn't it have silica and other minerals?

 

[nuthatched]

Doesn't it have silica and other minerals?

Trace amounts, sometimes. It's not good for much besides anticlumping. you can buy mineral powders and it will be much more effective

 

[badgeroo]

Trace amounts, sometimes. It's not good for much besides anticlumping. you can buy mineral powders and it will be much more effective

Thanks! Any insight on brewer's yeast?

 

[nuthatched]

Thanks! Any insight on brewer's yeast?

Not much, I'm not sure of it's shelf life if dumped into feed though.

 

[Kenya Mwangi]

Thank you. I have seen 5% too, so that's what I had in the calculation. Here are updated numbers. More than 2/3 of the reciple are oats (and have to be, at least in Amish store scenario, which is also all non-GMO and organic ingredients)

Amish store:
~5% kelp granules (8%p - 0%f)
~70% ground oats (11%p - 4%f)
~15% field peas (25.5%p - 1.6%f)
~10% fish meal (65%p - 9%f)
~1% enzyme/mineral/electrolyte supplement
Resulting in about 18.45% protein and 3.9% fat, at about $24.12 per 50# bag, before mixing and bagging fees (based on the mill prices that would be about $28 per #50lb bag, out of the door).

Now, I want to see what the local mill can do too and be able to choose. Since they claim they can get anything, I first want to give them a list and see what quality it would be as well as price, but I have to start with my own list.

Following the millet suggestion, I found that pearl millet is a non-gluten grain that has a lot of good nutrients, but I can't find any good info about amount of phytoestrogens in it.

What other ingredients should I consider? In the current reciple, the fat numbers are a bit high and although I would love to have as high protein numbers as possible, there is room for other stuff. Is there a point adding calcium while they have free access to oyster shells? What else? Please brainstorm with me.

Hello For brainstorming what if these options I present will be good for you. What if you do things backwards from the traditional today's feeding?

Someone said use real meat for an idea. What if instead of trying to figure out what plant can give you the right protein, just give your chickens real protein first and secondary let your chickens eat the plants or grains they need for vitamins and energy and things. A grass fed cow butchered completley into ground beef at a the fat ratio to be decided can be had for 1200 dollars for 840 pounds of meat processing fee of 1.50 per pound of hanging weight. Keep the leaf fat so healthy and some bones to grind to make your bread. Only just kidding! But you can grind bones for calcium and phosphorus.

If you put that in your separate freezer only bought for chicken feed and thawed 5 pounds every week or some number of pounds that equals nutrition for the amount of chickens up to 60 that you have. Throw the correct amount out daily even frozen so you chickens exercise and work for their feed.

Then add in the pearl millet. Studies showed it good up to 20 percent of feed recipe or more. I don't want to find the study, but you can. It is there. Then add in your other ingredients.

This is my brainstorming attempt at outside of the box thinking to get creative juices flowing. Maybe it gives someone an idea that wouldn't be thought of before.

That pearl millet is in many other countries food, just not here because of unhealthy soy in unhealthy amounts in unhealthy number of products is very profitable. Did you know people eat pearl millet around the world?

 

[Kenya Mwangi]

Average pearl millet.

Dry matter: 90%

• Metabolizable energy: 1470 kcal/kg (3240 kcal/lb)
• Crude protein: 12.0%
  • Methionine: 0.28%
  • Cysteine: 0.24%
  • Lysine: 0.35%
  • Tryptophan: 0.20%
  • Threonine: 0.44%
• Crude fat: 4.2%
• Crude fiber: 1.8%
• Ash: 2.5%
  • Calcium: 0.05%
  • Total phosphorus: 0.30%
  • Available phosphorus: 0.10%

 

[U_Stormcrow]

In addition to Pearl Millet

there is also Finger Millet

Foxtail Millet

and Proso Millet

Each has different nutritional profile and differing antinutritional concerns, with Proso having the fewest, some of the best availability, and generally the highest (bulk) price. Pearl Millet is next best, and easy to find (but expensive) in the grocery store, often much harder to find in the feed store.

Foxtail and Finger millets share a lot in common, particularly tannins, tend to be much lower priced, and are often used to bulk out cheaper bird seed mixes, finger millet particularly. Its been m experience that songbirds tend to pick out and discard finger millet, and my hens show only some interest in it once all the other choices are gone.

 

[NatJ]

A grass fed cow butchered completley into ground beef at a the fat ratio to be decided can be had for 1200 dollars for 840 pounds of meat processing fee of 1.50 per pound of hanging weight.

For anyone figuring prices: be aware that fresh meat has a large amount of water. Most of the other ingredients in this discussion are dry. So it may take five or ten pounds of fresh meat to give the same amount of protein as one pound of dried meat powder.

I don't remember how big the difference is, but I do remember it is big enough that direct price comparison can be very misleading.

This does not mean to rule out meat, just to be aware when comparing prices.

 

[JacinLarkwell]

For anyone figuring prices: be aware that fresh meat has a large amount of water. Most of the other ingredients in this discussion are dry. So it may take five or ten pounds of fresh meat to give the same amount of protein as one pound of dried meat powder.

I don't remember how big the difference is, but I do remember it is big enough that direct price comparison can be very misleading.

This does not mean to rule out meat, just to be aware when comparing prices.

I know my dehydrated liver treats are about 6.5% moisture. Don't know if that helps at all