Help needed customizing low estrogen and gluten free feed

[Ital]

@U_Stormcrow It’s a genuine question regarding a serious issue, the way we are feeding livestock is damaging the soil and causing obesity, autoimmune disease, and leaky gut syndrome in humans. Chlorella is a superior nutrient dense alternative with various nutraceutical properties that can help to alleviate some of the damage that has been done.

 

[Ital]

@saysfaa weird I just got this message from you in my email but it’s not appeared here :/..

‘You don't think the rate humans started eating white sugar, white oils, white flour, and white salt causes those things?

Or sedentary lifestyles?
Or lack of good sleep?
Or lack of fresh air and sunshine?
Or the formaldehyde and parabens in everything from laundry soap and shampoo to clothes and nearly all commercially canned or packaged foods?’

I’m sure none of these things help but if you stop eating lectins you loose weight fast and all autoimmune diseases go away, you recover for as long as you avoid them.

Round up herbicide and none steroidal anti inflammatory drugs are also contributing factors but it’s the lectins causing the autoimmune response and obesity, the other two just damage the microbiome to such an extent that you loose the ability to stop lectins penetrating the gut wall.

Lectins we feed to livestock make it into the milk eggs meat ect. It’s probably not doing the animals much good eating high lectin feed laced with herbicide either, it’s not a good combination.

Eta.. white things aren’t so bad, most of the lectins are on the outside of things to put bugs off eating them and being paralysed. White bread/pasta if you can tolerate it is better than whole grain, pressure cooked white jasmine rice is less damaging than brown.

 

[saysfaa]

@saysfaa weird I just got this message from you in my email but it’s not appeared here :/..

....

Probably because I deleted my post a couple of minutes after I submitted it.

 

[Altairsky]

It's pointless to discuss with those who doesn't listen and wants to impose their beliefs. It's not worth anyone's time.
In Italy we say "the reason belongs to the fools, let them have it".
If you're worried about nutrition, always talk with a professional nutritionist. Never believe random guys on the internet, especially if they talk about miracle substances and satan substances, like if food was a religion.

 

[Ital]

It's pointless to discuss with those who doesn't listen and wants to impose their beliefs. It's not worth anyone's time.
In Italy we say "the reason belongs to the fools, let them have it".
If you're worried about nutrition, always talk with a professional nutritionist. Never believe random guys on the internet, especially if they talk about miracle substances and satan substances, like if food was a religion.

Perhaps food should be added to religion and politics in the list of things we shouldn’t discuss and this whole section on the forum should be deleted?

I went to a professional nutritionalist and she gave me all the information above, since then I no longer suffer with multiple autoimmune diseases and I started looking into making sure the same thing that happened to me doesn’t happen to my birds.

I didn’t come here for confrontation, best wishes to you and your birds whatever you choose to feed them.

 

[Mother of Chaos]

Perhaps food should be added to religion and politics in the list of things we shouldn’t discuss and this whole section on the forum should be deleted?

I went to a professional nutritionalist and she gave me all the information above, since then I no longer suffer with multiple autoimmune diseases and I started looking into making sure the same thing that happened to me doesn’t happen to my birds.

I didn’t come here for confrontation, best wishes to you and your birds whatever you choose to feed them.

I’m glad you’re better!

Chickens aren’t humans; they’re not even mammals. They are reptiles, warm-blooded, feathered reptiles.

What works for a human, or for some humans with special needs and conditions, doesn’t necessarily work for chickens.

You can’t just automatically transfer the diet that works for you to other creatures and assume that it will help them. Maybe it will, maybe it won’t, maybe it will be bad for them.

 

[Ital]

Fair point, but they react pretty much the same to high lectin feed as most farmed animals, it’s used preferably to other foods because of its ability to quickly fatten them up for saluter. Works great for humans too.

Lectins via a process of bio mimicry that I don’t fully understand cause you to store more proteins and carbohydrates as fat, our natural defences to them are damaged by the herbicide they are sprayed with to desiccate them just before harvest which enables them to puncture the gut wall, I’d be surprised if round up doesn’t have a similar effect on the microbiology of birds, it’s been patented as an antibiotic.

Then there are novel lectins taken from snow drops amongst others and inserted into food crops to increase bug resistance, no animal I can think of other than maybe roe deer have ever encountered these before so will see them as foreign and produce antibodies in response that cause all sorts of systemic problems for you and your birds as it gets into the eggs and meat.

I should have guessed this would cause controversy on a site where almost everyone feeds their birds with soya. The op appears to be having similar issues to those I’m contending with so I suggested chlorella because I thought it might help, it’s lectin free and grows without competition so doesn’t require the addition of herbicide.

It works great for me and my birds, the eggs taste completely different to when I was using an organic pellet feed, I’ve never tasted anything like it, they’re delicious.

 

[Mother of Chaos]

…I should have guessed this would cause controversy on a site where almost everyone feeds their birds with soya…

Almost everyone feeds their birds with soya, because it’s incredibly difficult to find non-soy feeds in the US (don’t know about elsewhere) with decent protein levels that doesn’t cost an arm and a leg.

You can present your case without at the same time insulting fellow forum members with little slams like this.

 

[Ital]

@Mother of Chaos The soya we import here is grown on an area the size of wales of freshly cut rainforest, that’s why it’s cheap. The offset cost is the health of your birds, the planet, and you.

I can’t find a suitable pellet feed for my needs here either so I make my own.

An accurate statement of fact is not a ‘little slam’ and certainly wasn’t intended to be. Almost everyone on here does feed their birds on soya, it is difficult to get the protein levels high enough without it which is why I suggested chlorella to the op. It’s very high protein.

I’m impoverished myself to say the least but invest the majority of the little money I do have in my health, if you choose to prioritise differently fair enough but there are alternatives to the modern diet that can improve the health of you and your birds, chlorella is one of them.

‘doesn’t cost an arm and a leg.’ My little sister recently lost the use of one arm as a result of autoimmune disease triggered by lectins, she’s clinically obese, can barely walk, and has been given 3 to 5 years to live. She won’t change her diet, it’s very sad.

 

[saysfaa]

...Levels are lower as a result of reduced injury.

How do you know that?