Help wanted to identify sex/breed please; Desperate to know what these two are?

Just to give you an idea of how much a week can do here's a picture of two of the males I had last year. You can see that the secondary feathers that are now getting old and about to be shed are fading while the new secondary coverts have distinct barring and there's black secondary feathers, not dark brown. Also you can see the blue showing up in the neck, the neck is starting to fill up with color, color coming onto the head, and the breast going white. Unfortunately though if these were Spaldings it would not be as easy.
August 30th. In this photo they're almost 3 months old.

August 23rd.

Here's one of the males I hatched out last year. He's around 3 months old at the time. Again you can see that the barring is moving down, the longest secondary feathers are faded and almost ready to be molted.
 
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Here are pics of my 2 pied India Blues. Since they are older now, I know for certain the one with white epulettes on his shoulder is a male, and the other female. So, I can trace back through all my pics since their hatching and see the feather and color changes as ythey matured. At 20 days the feather barrs were starting to hint at male vs female. by 46 days the females bars are definetely muted, with only one bar per back feather taking place. also you will notice the famales feathers start to taper at the ends. But, as with animals and naute- nothing is 100% consistant in all cases.
Your chicks are so different looking from India Blue, my pictures may not help alot, but maybe you will see something. In these pics, the chick with white shoulder feathers is male and the other chick is a female.

Picture #1 is at 28 Days. Pictures # 2 & 3 are at 47 Days (female has lost alot of the barring)
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And picure # 4 is at 75 Days - Difference is Clear as Day!

 
Hey @msmolly , would you mind if I post those pictures on the Image Database?
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Hey @msmolly , would you mind if I post those pictures on the Image Database?
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Sorry, just saw this. By all means, post it where it will help- but I just answered another thread recently with I think more and better better images for sexing IBs. I have the male and female side by side in almost every age pic. See what you think. Thanks. Molly
 
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Here are our babies at 12 weeks old, still hoping they turn out to be a pair, any opinions on this newer photo anyone please?
 

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