Hen Got Attacked From Person Trespassing

[ReikiStar]

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Agreed. It's best used for a first time flush but it DOES NOT EAT FLESH AND SKIN! That is false information. Every vet I've ever talked to is fine with it being used sparingly (equine, canine and exotic vets).

Not to hi-jack the thread but would be interested in hearing more details about your story DeannaOR, since many of us are dog owners and your situation sounds like a nightmare.

 

[Sunksschicken]

sorry I didn't mean to spread out false information I'll just keep my opinions to myself hope that guy stops .......

 

[Nsampsel]

Agreed. It's best used for a first time flush but it DOES NOT EAT FLESH AND SKIN! That is false information. Every vet I've ever talked to is fine with it being used sparingly (equine, canine and exotic vets).

Not to hi-jack the thread but would be interested in hearing more details about your story DeannaOR, since many of us are dog owners and your situation sounds like a nightmare.

Peroxide doesn't actually eat flesh & tissue, but it does damage healthy tissue right along with the dead tissue. Alcohol does not have this effect, which is why I recommend using it the first few times you clean the wound. But even the alcohol is not beneficial after the wound begins to heal. Alcohol will kill germs & infection, but also dries out the tissue (sometimes this can be beneficial, but usually not). After the first couple of days a saline solution (easily made at home with salt & boiling water) can be used to flush the wound as needed. Once the wound begins to dry out & scab over even the saline becomes unnecessary. Blu-kote works extremely well for preventing infection & fungal infestations of the wound. I use it on even minor injuries like peck marks, pulled feathers, scratches, etc. Neosporin will help keep the wound moist, but even that should be used sparingly as you WANT the wound to begin to dry & scab over after a certain point.

 

[seminolewind]

sorry I didn't mean to spread out false information I'll just keep my opinions to myself hope that guy stops .......

Don't keep your opinions to yourself-right or wrong it brings out good information. I've heard both sides. I work with sick newborns that sometimes get a burn from IV fluids. We clean with 1/2 strength peroxide, rinse, pat dry and put on neosporin or antibiotic ointment.

Peroxide works on bacteria that oxygen will kill. The bacteria that gets deeper quicker. The body does not have any cells that are killed with oxygen, so peroxide is not harmful to skin cells. Antibiotic ointment kills oxygen-needing bacteria.

 

[DobermanGuy]

LOL "will eat away at the skin the meat anything"?!!!!!!! OMG. It's peroxide, it's a mild bleach. It's not hydrochloric acid! Thanks for spreading completely false information.

There is nothing wrong with using peroxide on a wound, but you would want to use it sparingly because there is wide spread belief that it kills the new skin cells that are needed to growing the scab.

Also wondering why so much time has been wasted on this guy. He has the nerve to repeatedly come in your yard and tell you its not "cool" that you called the cops? If you don't stand up for yourself, why should he stop.

I third the idea of barred wire. If it were me I'd also add a hot wire in there. If one doesn't get him, the other might.

You are just plain WRONG about the use of peroxide here. It is definitely NOT a 'mild bleach' as you put it first of all... It IS definitely cytotoxic (bad for tissue trying to heal and grow) and it has been PROVEN to be less than optimal when it pertains to its use as a bactericidal... Thanks for spreading false information!

Read the following and learn:

Hydrogen peroxide is commonly used as a wound cleanser; it provides an effervescent cleansing action through its release of oxygen. It is commonly used as a 3% solution. Studies available indicate that hydrogen peroxide has limited bactericidal effectiveness. Lineaweaver and coworkers 3 studied various concentrations of hydrogen peroxide for effectiveness against S. aureus. They found the 3% solution to be bactericidal; however, all further dilutions failed to provide any inhibition of this organism.

3 McKenna and associates studies a 0.003% concentration of hydrogen peroxide for bactericidal effectiveness against S. aureus, P. aeruginosa, E. coli, group D Enterococcus, and B. fragilis; they chose this concentration because it was the dilution found to be non cytotoxic in the studies of Lineaweaver and coworkers.

3 In the studies of McKenna and associated, 7 hydrogen peroxide failed to cause inhibition of growth for any of the bacteria tested.
The limited studies available indicate that hydrogen peroxide is cytotoxic at normal concentrations (3%). Lineaweaver and colleagues 3 evaluated the effect of hydrogen peroxide on cultured human fibroblasts and found 100% toxicity at both 3% and a 0.3% concentrations. The 0.3% concentration also provided no inhibition of S. aureus. A 0.03% solution remained moderately toxic, and absence of toxic effect was not demonstrated until the peroxide had been diluted 1:1000 (0.003%). Studies by Burkey and associated 19 substantiated the 1; 1000 dilution required to eliminate cytotoxicity and found that toxic effects on fibroblasts and red blood cells were demonstrated by four of five testing methods.
Current data indicate that hydrogen peroxide is inappropriate for use as an antiseptic. Its cytotoxicity outweighs its limited bactericidal effects.
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I will be happy to provide the link to the complete study if you need it. (They DO list ALL of their sources)

Personally, I would not use peroxide on my dogs...

Like I said before, Dakins Solution is the thing to have here. It WILL kill the germies and it will NOT harm any tissue that is trying to regrow, heal, or otherwise repair itself...It is inexpensive as well (you CAN buy it at any local pharmacy) or it can be safely made at home in your own kitchen using things you likely already have laying around...

Clinical studies have confirmed that Dakin’s solution is bactericidal to the organisms commonly encountered in open wounds. Lineaweaver and associates​

3 found a 0.005 concentraton to be effective against S. aureus;3 McKenna and colleagues7 found a 0.005% concentration also bactericidal to Pseudomonas aeruginosa. E. coli, group D Enterococcus, and Bacteroides fragilis. McKenna and colleagues 7 also found that a 0.005 solution maintains its bactericidal effectiveness for at least 4 days when kept in a closed container at room temperature. Heggers and colleagues 6 tested a 0.025% concentration of Dakin’s solution against a number of additional organisms. Dakin's Solution

was effective against at this concentration. Organisms tested included methicillin-resistant S. aureus, Streptococcus mitis, Staphylococcus​

epidermidis, Klebsiella pneumoniae, Enterobacter cloacae, Serratia marcescens, and Proteus mirabilis.

Sodium hypochlorite (Dakin’s solution), first introduced as an antiseptic in 1915, was used extensively in the management of war wounds. 6 It is currently being used with increasing frequency in the management of chronic wounds such as pressure ulcers, especially those with necrotic tissue and clinical infection. Sodium hypochlorite can be prepared by diluting bleach (5.25% NaOCI, or Chlorox) 0.5:10 in distilled water. This provides a 0.25% solution which can then be further diluted. 6​

 

[DobermanGuy]

Peroxide doesn't actually eat flesh & tissue, but it does damage healthy tissue right along with the dead tissue.

It boils the healthy tissue away... No 'good' doctor would suggest peroxide for long term care of a major wound.

 

[DobermanGuy]

I do not recommend the dog... I am being sued right now because my dog bit someone who came onto our property unannounced and opened our screen door. ON MY property..OPENED MY DOOR. I did not get fined by animal control..they said I did nothing wrong. It was a workmans comp claim..they are coming after me. Nix on the dog.

Worse case senario is that your insurance company (homeowners ins) will not want to risk it and settle with the fool to avoid going to court. Same as they would do when some fool slips on the sidewalk in front of your home and decides to sue you... In the crazy world we live in today, fools can sue you at any time and for any reason.

No jury in their right mind is going to convict you or allow this fool to win a judgement against you. If you had done something 'wrong' here - Animal Control or your local police WOULD have let you know immidiately.

You should have prosecuted the person for criminal tresspassing. That IS what they were doing when they just 'decided' to walk into your home univited... They should feel lucky to have not been shot... Please take the time to study up on the Castle Doctrine laws for YOUR particular state. Discuss this with your lawyer when you file the countersuit and demand that he pay ALL of your attorney fees.

Most times a dog does not 'need' to bite a person that is trespassing (or considering it). The mere sight or sound of a dog will deter criminals from even considering your home as a 'target'. Thieves look for easy targets...

 

[Whittni]

It boils the healthy tissue away... No 'good' doctor would suggest peroxide for long term care of a major wound.

At first it was a major wound. I'm going to put up a sign and I'm just going to ask him to replace the cost of the bird since she isn't going to heal to wear she's show quality again I'm sure, she costed $35, plus the cost of all medical supplies I've used.


Is this fair? I'm also going to ask him to cross in a different yard from now on or just where he is never near the chickens if he has to cross in our yard to simply walk the back wall into the other yard or yards.

I would be happy and hopefully he will be to...so not going to court.

 

[DobermanGuy]

At first it was a major wound. I'm going to put up a sign and I'm just going to ask him to replace the cost of the bird since she isn't going to heal to wear she's show quality again I'm sure, she costed $35, plus the cost of all medical supplies I've used.


Is this fair? I'm also going to ask him to cross in a different yard from now on or just where he is never near the chickens if he has to cross in our yard to simply walk the back wall into the other yard or yards.

I would be happy and hopefully he will be to...so not going to court.

Your are being more than fair. To the point that you will likely be taken advantage of and never see the money owed to you OR the trespassing will not stop.

Mean people prey on nice people. Sad truth that it is but some fools just can't take a 'gentle' word for what it is and respect the person giving it to them.

I have no more comments about what you should do with respect to your intruder. I said my peace on that already...

With respect to the Dakins Solution though... Here is a link to how you can make it yourself and save money in the future:
http://www.virginia.edu/uvaprint/HSC/pdf/09024.pdf

It is colorless, odorless, kills the germies, and can be used on wounds large and small to prevent the growth of harmful stuff... You could bathe your bird in it and it would be as gentle as water for her...

 

[cheeka]

why can't he walk around the block? why does he feel entitled to take shortcuts? shortcuts through private property no less and cause damage? and why are you so tolerant of his arrogance? you don't have to go to court to keep him away if you don't want to. but you should stand up for your rights as a private citizen on your private property.
this guy has zero respect and has probably only gotten as far as he has in life by taking "shortcuts". it's sad... but it's also inappropriate.