hen with watery poop, thin shells, and thin, but otherwise healthy

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by DaniellePage, Oct 11, 2012.

  1. DaniellePage

    DaniellePage Out Of The Brooder

    Hi, I am a new member but have been a BYC user for a year.

    I have not been able to find any great answers on this after searching for a week off and on.

    My Plymouth Barred Rock Hen, Zeebra. (a little over a year old)
    She became under the weather back in July on a really hot day (for here in the PNW). I treated her with electrolites and cool water, shade and fed her oregon grapes (mahonia berries). Besides the birds loving them, they are supposed to carry antibiotic properties.
    She healed up in 24 hours with a full recovery in 48hours.
    But, she continued having watery poop. Just like the one seen in this link http://chat.allotment.org.uk/index.php?topic=17568.0
    Understandable because is IS summer after-all.

    But, she began laying "shelless" eggs.
    She has been laying these shelless eggs since then.
    Over the past 3 weeks or so, I have noticed the eggs gaining shell.
    By now, they are almost hard enough not to break when layed but still remain very thin.

    She is still pooing watery poo all the time. The weather has been considerably cooler for the past few weeks - down into the 50s at night and the 60's in the day.

    She also seems to have lost quite a bit of weight. She is now the lightest hen of my 4 when she used to be either 2nd or 3rd heaviest.

    Here is the kicker...
    ... she has no other problems. No drainage or sneezing, no lethargy etc...
    She eats like a monster (this is her usual) and drinks.
    She runs around, catches bugs in the air, is bright eyed and "bushy tailed" (feathers are kept and she preens regularly).

    Is this something I should be concerned about?

    Additional - the flock just finished a round of antibiotics per Vets' suggestion while I treated half the flock for bumblefoot.
    I will be starting them on probiotics today for thier post-antibiotic recovery.
    Other than the 2 others that are recovering from the bumblefoot, they are all in good health.
    I try to worm once a year (usually in the winter when egg production is down and the weather is wet and primed for worms here).
    Have not wormed yet this year.
    Poop had NO blood and I can not see any worms. Like I said it is textbook watery - just like the pic in the link.
     
  2. Darkwings

    Darkwings Out Of The Brooder

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    I think I would try worming her. All of my hens had watery poo and after worming them everything returned to normal. This might also explain her weight loss. Good luck and hopefully she pulls through for you.
     
  3. DaniellePage

    DaniellePage Out Of The Brooder

    Thanks a bunch! I would have never guessed the watery could be an indication since it was on the "normal" list and it was summer. But, being that she is all feathers and bones and kept the watery poo into the cooler months, I was worried.
    After I gave them all a 7 day break from the antibiotics they were on for bumblefoot, and gave then probiotics and nutridrench in the meantime...
    ... I wormed them all yesterday with Valbazen (last used 9 months ago) and sure enough, She is expelling dead roundworms in her feces today. Never thought I would be happy to see worms in the poo but this is an exception. Hopefully between now and her 10th day followup treatment - she will be gaining weight! She is my favorite bird.
     
  4. DaniellePage

    DaniellePage Out Of The Brooder

    Update on zeebra

    Now, I have noticed scaly leg mite signs on her legs. (possibly from being stressed from the worms?) I am treating them all by using a mixture of corn/vegetable oil and Vet-RX oil slathered all over the legs at least nightly (zeebra gets am and pm slatherings).

    The other 3 girls seem fine (even got bumblefoot cleared up on 2 other birds).

    Zeebra actually seems to be doing worse after worming with valbazen.
    None of my girls have had issues with it before (there were also no dead worms in the poo after when I used it 9 months ago).

    Her feet are cold (and have the mite damage).
    Her comb and wattles are still red and warm.
    She is still eating treats (perks up for brown rice with nutridrench and mealworms, lettuce, pumpkin and anything else that isnt feed).
    She hardly pecks at her feed though.
    She is drinking.
    BUT, she is also has fluffed up neck feathers and will stand close to me in the coop and pull her head in and close her eyes and make soft soft coo sounds.
    I couldnt see her poo today - I was stretched for time.
    Yesterday - her poo was still watery but seemed to have a little more substance in it.
    It also had no worms.
    It also had a tiny bit of urates (very tiny). I have not seen urates in her watery poo ever before yesterday.

    She still can fly up to her roost (16-18 inches) and roosts at night with the girls.

    SHe has not layed in about a week (it may be from the reduced light this time of year - only about 9 hours and most days raining and/or the weight loss). My others are slowing down too and starting to molt.

    WHen i let her out, she still scratches in the dirt and eats slugs and bugs and bites the grass although with less vigor than usual.

    She is still super thin. and is acting more sad every day.

    I cant help but be worried for her. She is my favorite.

    Is there something more I could be doing for her?

    I am not sure if it just takes time to get back to health or if there may be other issues that can be causing her weight loss and decline.

    I want to do what I can but I also do not want her to suffer.
     
  5. dawg53

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    Mix buttermilk and scrambled egg in her feed and let her eat that for about 5 days, nothing else.
     
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2012
  6. DaniellePage

    DaniellePage Out Of The Brooder

    Can i use plain greek yoghurt instead of buttermilk until I can get some?
     
  7. DaniellePage

    DaniellePage Out Of The Brooder

    Update on my hen -

    I have been feeding her scrambled eggs and yogurt mixed with feed.
    She gets free choice of feed through the day. Although I dont think she eats much if any. I have seen her eat the shavings from the nestbox though. I offer the egg mix in the AM and PM.

    She "spits" out the feed and just eats the egg but, only if the piece is small enough.

    Sometimes she wont eat at all unless I break a raw egg into the bowl - then she eats the raw egg up. She doesnt even show enthusiasm for mealworms anymore.
    Still drinks water

    Still runny poop.

    Seems to be getting slowly better (i say this because)...
    ... she used to only make soft brr sound without opening beak and barely audible - Now - starting to become louder
    ... used to stand huddled and feathers ruffled - Now - she preens and walks around more and sometimes tip-toes for the egg bowl
    ... seems to have gained an ounce?

    BUT...
    Now she has developed a high leg lift - only on the right side - not with every step all the time - seems to be worse when she has just eaten or in the morning.
    very high (I will try to grab a vid tomorrow if possible). It is like when she goes to take a step - the leg just contracts tightly way up into the chest feathers and it seems she has to concentrate to put it down.

    She still wants to go outside and when I let her out - she bites grass and scratches (although very weakly - she used to be the most enthusiastic of scratchers as stuff would fly!)

    I tried to isolate her in the house in a large box but she wouldn't have any of it - she got all stressed out and kept "pecking" at the sides and trying to fly out and pacing.


    They are all due for the 2nd (10th day) Valbazen dose tomorrow.
    I am considering giving her a bantam dose because she is so thin!

    - any experience anyone????
     
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2012
  8. DaniellePage

    DaniellePage Out Of The Brooder

    Did 2nd worming dose today waiting for the video to upload to youtube. It is a long one but I talk on the video about the birds and describe what is going on and shows some good leg lift at the 2:20 and 7:30 time markers.

    We have an Extention Poultry lab "nearby".

    DOES ANYONE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT I SHOULD HAVE THEM TEST her FOR?

    If she does not get better I will end up having them do a necropsy [​IMG]

    video later today - it is taking forever to upload.
     
  9. DaniellePage

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    Last edited: Oct 30, 2012
  10. Echobabe

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    I had a bird that did this leg lift on and off for years. She came to me with a huge bumblefoot. Even after the bumble was gone she still did the leg lift bit at times.
     

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