Heritage Feeds for Heritage Breeds

[ChooksChick]

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Absolutely. I've put it on Google docs, but it doesn't hold onto the graph and it's borked some of my formulas.


If you pm me your email addy and say you want the feed spreadsheet, I'm happy to send it along. I'm always tweaking it, and you can, too- I recommend you save a copy before messing with it so you don't garble the formulas like I always do. I fix it as often as I just use it!


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I am just not interested in finding out down the road that the nutrition I'm trying to give them is inhibited by the soy...I'm happier using fish meal and whatever insects I can grow.

 

[Farmerboy16]

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Absolutely. I've put it on Google docs, but it doesn't hold onto the graph and it's borked some of my formulas.


If you pm me your email addy and say you want the feed spreadsheet, I'm happy to send it along. I'm always tweaking it, and you can, too- I recommend you save a copy before messing with it so you don't garble the formulas like I always do. I fix it as often as I just use it!


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I am just not interested in finding out down the road that the nutrition I'm trying to give them is inhibited by the soy...I'm happier using fish meal and whatever insects I can grow.

So, soy is not good for poultry? If so, why its not good for them? Thanks for any info. Still learning.

 

[ChooksChick]

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Absolutely. I've put it on Google docs, but it doesn't hold onto the graph and it's borked some of my formulas.


If you pm me your email addy and say you want the feed spreadsheet, I'm happy to send it along. I'm always tweaking it, and you can, too- I recommend you save a copy before messing with it so you don't garble the formulas like I always do. I fix it as often as I just use it!


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I am just not interested in finding out down the road that the nutrition I'm trying to give them is inhibited by the soy...I'm happier using fish meal and whatever insects I can grow.

So, soy is not good for poultry? If so, why its not good for them? Thanks for any info. Still learning.

To super-simplify it, there is a problem in that it must be heated to a certain temp for a prolonged period to assure that a component that inhibits nutrition absorption is deactivated. Once that is accomplished, it may be wonderful and safe in amounts under 5% (depending on whom you ask) and not cause any difficulties. Some believe that the phytoestrogens it contains may be a problem and that it isn't worth the protein value in any amount. I just can't find a definitive answer because it all depends on who is paying for the study, so I just consider it better safe than sorry and leave it out altogether. I'm not going to find a good source here and don't want to grow it myself, so it's moot for me.

 

[Jake Levi]

I then question the value of the soy as a feed ingredient over others ? Its pricier then others, and is of questionable value to me, so I amnot going to be using it either.

Similarly, in the past I have found fish meal and meat meal from some sources to be very high, at the time higher per pound then ground beef. Now the beef has shot up again, but weighing costs pays off.

 

[Farmerboy16]

Thanks ChooksChick, I will ditch the soybean idea. I like your feed formula, but I think the local mill does not have all the stuff, I will try the formula that Chris09 gave me, and see how the chickens do over the winter.

 

[Farmerboy16]

sorry double post.

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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Many in the livestock and feed industry disagree that high levels of soy are harmful to livestock, but that has been beaten to death here.

You can't price protein sources solely on their price per pound. You need to price it on a $/# protein basis to determine the true value.

I use a program with my Commercial Hog Farmers that uses a best cost ration formulation, we set limits on the ingredients and the nutrients, thent he algorithms in the program determine the cheapest ration to meet those paramters.

Jim

 

[Chris09]

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Absolutely. I've put it on Google docs, but it doesn't hold onto the graph and it's borked some of my formulas.


If you pm me your email addy and say you want the feed spreadsheet, I'm happy to send it along. I'm always tweaking it, and you can, too- I recommend you save a copy before messing with it so you don't garble the formulas like I always do. I fix it as often as I just use it!



I am just not interested in finding out down the road that the nutrition I'm trying to give them is inhibited by the soy...I'm happier using fish meal and whatever insects I can grow.

So, soy is not good for poultry? If so, why its not good for them? Thanks for any info. Still learning.

To super-simplify it, there is a problem in that it must be heated to a certain temp for a prolonged period to assure that a component that inhibits nutrition absorption is deactivated. Once that is accomplished, it may be wonderful and safe in amounts under 5% (depending on whom you ask) and not cause any difficulties. Some believe that the phytoestrogens it contains may be a problem and that it isn't worth the protein value in any amount. I just can't find a definitive answer because it all depends on who is paying for the study, so I just consider it better safe than sorry and leave it out altogether. I'm not going to find a good source here and don't want to grow it myself, so it's moot for me.

Dried Beans and Peas have a Trypsin Inhibitor in them, so your Austrian, Canadian and Maple Peas would have to be roasted (just like soybean) before feeding to any non-ruminate animal.

Chris

 

[Covey Rise Plantation]

I wonder how the Quail and Canada Geese copes with all the raw unroasted soy beans that they eat

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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Most of the protein (Amino Acids) passes right straight through them and ends up in their feces without being of any use to the birds.