Heritage Large Fowl - Phase II

George, I told you you picked a hard one ! The hardest thing I think you will have to accomplish is to breed Catalanas with good buff color, with proper black in tails and wings, without getting black in the necks.

I agree that is going to be a challenge, but I have minor experience with that. Enough to understand the process, so in that respect I feel comfortable.

The main challenge, (to me, right now), is transforming a bird that is not purely buff into a truly buff bird. No where in the world is Catalanas fully buff. Fundamentally, in a sense, they are.
Catalanas have the same color as Nankins. You can see the influence of the wheaton you mentioned in both of these breeds. The females are more buff than the males.
It is one of those, I wish the standard was written a bit differently, but it is what it is.

I get a sense, because of some of the allowances in the males, that this was a consideration. It is almost as if it is written to be in between what they are and a purely buff bird.

I am afraid that is going to be another challenge. I think with this project you get hanging out with the devil in the details. Requirements like in the hackles. Reddish buff shading to golden buff in the males. Or the back, reddish buff shading to a lighter buff going to the saddle. I get that, but with the males being required and allowed more red seams to make them overall darker than the females and then that would seam to make an even color in the females difficult.

You could spend a life time on a project like this. I think it is an interested project though. I will learn a lot in the process. I do not care what anyone else thinks about what I have, unless it is constructive input. I realize that what I have is in a poor state, but that is where some of the appeal lies. I will learn more about breeding poultry than I would by buying already nice birds and trying to maintain them.

Concerning a production type consideration, they are fundamentally the best I have ever had. And I have played with a few things along the way. They need some attention and uniformity in this respect, but the pieces are there.

Maybe I need to pick up on something else along the way, that I would have a chance to win something with. I would like to show a few birds hear and there. Get around more people that I can learn from. I want to get passed the experimental stage.
I hope to manage my illness better along the way, and pick back up what I started with on a small scale. I think that I could do something with them. As you know, I had to scale back a bit. I enjoy these birds though, and it would be nice to get a ribbon or so before whatever . . . .
 
Ah, ok, my apologies for getting it wrong, just didn't have my book handy. I will check out their standard when I get home.

I'll have to invest in Dan's CD. Since I'm a big fan of both those things and that's not likely to change anytime soon. I might not ever add any more breeds, but I could definitely see adding a bunch of Leghorn colors.
I would recommend it. I appreciate it. It is like hearing the thoughts of a hundred breeders over a few generations.
 
a weight and a wait has been lifted...The Australorp flock is on it's way North to Pa. with the new owners. A pall of melancholy hung over me for a while but the buyers were so excited, their delight was infectious.

All in all...glad to see them go. The birds too!!!
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a weight and a wait has been lifted...The Australorp flock is on it's way North to Pa. with the new owners. A pall of melancholy hung over me for a while but the buyers were so excited, their delight was infectious.

All in all...glad to see them go. The birds too!!!
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Glad you are glad!!

Did the help show up??
 
Glad you are glad!!

Did the help show up??

Thank you. Much to my surprise, they did show up and brought a third party (after getting my OK). Everything went well and we had the Australorps (except the Royal Family) safely dealt with in under three hours.

The new owners arrived yesterday and stayed in a motel, about 20 miles from here and arrived on time to take possession.

Worked so smoothly, I was surprised! Everyone is happy. The boys were 'straight' and worked well together..I gave them each $60 bucks and they were as happy as a bowl of fruit in a medium security prison.
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I share your admiration for the color. I think the key to it's lack of popularity is I have had many old timers tell me it's the hardest color to breed. I am too new to my project to assess this, but if it is truly a difficult color to breed for then that would explain a lot. It does sun bleach very easily and if you range your birds at all, or just give them a good dosage of natural light they will fade quickly and not be quite as attractive, I found this even in what I thought was a shady pen, the winter sun coming through the south wire faded my youngsters.

It could also fall in a no man's land gap. The show folks don't breed it as much because it's difficult and even the experts seem to slightly disagree on what shade is given preference and the interpretation of the buff color. So they tend to gravitate towards black or white birds, which tend to win more. The commercial industry has no need for color so why would they breed buff?

Just thinking out loud

Good assessment. Buff is a very difficult color even though it is only one color and one would think it should be easy.....it's not! The buff has to come from somewhere and generally that somewhere has a totally different type than a Leghorn. The sun can change it's color in short order, you fight black and white in the wings and tail.....lots of challenges with buff. Only the very dedicated stay with it. I don't see the difference in shade as a big problem as long as it is not getting reddish or too light. The model for color is the buff Orp and even then there is some degree of shade difference. There is no "paint chip" to use when a judge looks at buff, but most know what shade is correct and there is plenty of leeway in the shade.

Walt
 

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