Heritage Large Fowl - Phase II

[chickadoodles]

Are Yokohama's Heritage Large Fowl?

According to the Livestock Conservancy they are and they are on the critical list.

http://www.livestockconservancy.org/index.php/heritage/internal/conservation-priority-list#Turkeys

 

[cluckcluckluke]

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Well here are my two new young Yokohama pair:

 

[cluckcluckluke]

 

[chickadoodles]

They are very beautiful, nice pics!

 

[fowlman01]

According to the Livestock Conservancy they are and they are on the critical list.

http://www.livestockconservancy.org/index.php/heritage/internal/conservation-priority-list#Turkeys

Yokahama's do not fit the ALBC criteria for heritage ,as they were admitted to the SOP in 1981. They are an old breed, but the ALBC says they have to be admitted to the SOP by 1950. It is their definition, not mine. Yokahama's have been around for a very long time.

Walt

 

[lawatt]

Cold weather does nothing to stunt the insect or parasite population. Insects go dormant over winter. They are still there. Alaska is sprawling with Mosquitos and all sorts of bugs come spring. Yet people still think winter temps affect them.

SOME insects are not affected by cold temperatures, others are -- if they are a species that is adapted to overwintering in freezing temps, then you're right, cold does nothing, but there are a lot of species form temperate or subtropical regions that are not adapted to freezing over winter -- those can be reduced by unusual cold, like the "polar vortex" many areas in the South have been experiencing this winter.

 

[gjensen]

Cold weather does nothing to stunt the insect or parasite population. Insects go dormant over winter. They are still there. Alaska is sprawling with Mosquitos and all sorts of bugs come spring. Yet people still think winter temps affect them.

Neil, I do not know what you mean by "you people", but there is more to winter temps. It is growing conditions, diversity, etc. Hard to expand populations while you are dormant. Ever been to the tropics? You will have never believed there could be so many insects as there is there. I will not go into talking about myself, or why I think I know or not. You can take it seriously or not. I was only trying to be helpful by illustrating that one man's normal is different than another's. It is difficult to unify management styles, when everyone has different conditions that they raise their birds in.

We cannot even all keep them in the same housing ( or shouldn't). I don't get what is so difficult about understanding that we cannot do it all the same, or why we have different experiences. What works for you, may not work for me. Just the most smallest differences can be a limitation.

It is the same with gardening. What works in Vermont is different than what works in Florida. There is different disease pressures, degree of pressure, different weather limitations, etc. etc. And the reality is that there is more disease pressure in the Gulf Coast States that the north east, but the north east has much shorter growing seasons. What is true for these plants is also true for these animals. I guarantee you that fowl pox is more common in the south east than in the southwest. It is much different here from one part of the state to the other, because we are where the subtropical south meats the temperate north. Even soil types play a part.

I think it is pretty simple. We all have different settings in which to raise our birds. The discussion was whether or not to worm. Some here have no problems without worming. That is good, but I promise you that my birds will never be what they could be unless I keep the load down. heck, I wish that I did not have to.

The basic fundamentals will always be the same, but the particulars never will be.

 

[gjensen]

SOME insects are not affected by cold temperatures, others are -- if they are a species that is adapted to overwintering in freezing temps, then you're right, cold does nothing, but there are a lot of species form temperate or subtropical regions that are not adapted to freezing over winter -- those can be reduced by unusual cold, like the "polar vortex" many areas in the South have been experiencing this winter.

Yes, if we keep having winters like this, we will see changes. Even if short term.

 

[ChickenCanoe]

Neil, I do not know what you mean by "you people", but there is more to winter temps. It is growing conditions, diversity, etc. Hard to expand populations while you are dormant. Ever been to the tropics? You will have never believed there could be so many insects as there is there. I will not go into talking about myself, or why I think I know or not. You can take it seriously or not. I was only trying to be helpful by illustrating that one man's normal is different than another's. It is difficult to unify management styles, when everyone has different conditions that they raise their birds in.

We cannot even all keep them in the same housing ( or shouldn't). I don't get what is so difficult about understanding that we cannot do it all the same, or why we have different experiences. What works for you, may not work for me. Just the most smallest differences can be a limitation.

It is the same with gardening. What works in Vermont is different than what works in Florida. There is different disease pressures, degree of pressure, different weather limitations, etc. etc. And the reality is that there is more disease pressure in the Gulf Coast States that the north east, but the north east has much shorter growing seasons. What is true for these plants is also true for these animals. I guarantee you that fowl pox is more common in the south east than in the southwest. It is much different here from one part of the state to the other, because we are where the subtropical south meats the temperate north. Even soil types play a part.

I think it is pretty simple. We all have different settings in which to raise our birds. The discussion was whether or not to worm. Some here have no problems without worming. That is good, but I promise you that my birds will never be what they could be unless I keep the load down. heck, I wish that I did not have to.

The basic fundamentals will always be the same, but the particulars never will be.

X2.
We all have different goals and limitations.
Speaking of micro climates, what works on the East side of my house won't work on the West and vice versa.

Yes, if we keep having winters like this, we will see changes. Even if short term.

If I was a betting man, I'd say this winter's extreme frigidness in the Midwest, East and South is an aberration that isn't likely to be repeated any time soon. The last
Big difference between global and local.
For instance, this was the coldest winter I remember but of the 10 warmest annual average temperatures since 1870 where I live, 7 were since 1990. 2012 was the warmest year on record.
Of the 10 coldest years on record here, 3 were in the 1800s and none since 1980.

good NASA graph here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Instrumental_Temperature_Record_(NASA).svg

 

[gjensen]

X2.
We all have different goals and limitations.
Speaking of micro climates, what works on the East side of my house won't work on the West and vice versa.


If I was a betting man, I'd say this winter's extreme frigidness in the Midwest, East and South is an aberration that isn't likely to be repeated any time soon. The last
Big difference between global and local.
For instance, this was the coldest winter I remember but of the 10 warmest annual average temperatures since 1870 where I live, 7 were since 1990. 2012 was the warmest year on record.
Of the 10 coldest years on record here, 3 were in the 1800s and none since 1980.

good NASA graph here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Instrumental_Temperature_Record_(NASA).svg

Micro climates is part of what I was trying to communicate. We are on a sand ridge, and the way the elevation changes, our backs to the mountains etc., this strip gets hotter highs than much of the southeast a lot of times. Then we will see lower night time lows, and winter lows tan farther south. We have enough chill ours (a lot of years) to grow apples, but they do not like our heat and humidity. Just not a good plant for here. I do ok some years, and it is a bust the next. I would not recommend investing in them. In the upper region of our state, they do well. They are cooler, milder, and do not have the same disease pressures, or degree of pressure.

Concerning betting on the weather, and I am not in the know or track it as well as you. But based on what I have been seeing of late, there is not way I would consider betting on anything one way or the other. I would rather roll dice, LOL.