Heritage Large Fowl - Phase II

[3riverschick]

I have silver penciled wyandottes and someone said they were a hen line in coloring, can someone explain? (I am not even sure I phrased the question correctly.) I am totally ignorant of genetic terms and codes.

Sounds like someone is double mating this color. And they think your bird has hen line
coloring instead of cock line coloring. In some breeds, the demanded color pattern runs
against the laws of breeding for color. When fancy has demanded these colors be part
of the Standard for their breed... then often double mating is required.
What is double mating? It's when a breeder must create a male line to get the correct
color for males . And the female line must be created or the same reason. Because
the demanded color pattern is such, if the breeder just bred any male to any female,
many of the birds would have an intermediate, improper color pattern.
I know the genetic codes can be intimidating to learn but with the breed you have,
it will be much easier of you take time to learn them. It also makes it much more
accurate when discussing breeding options with other breeders.
For instance you could say I want to breed a white bird to my Light Sussex, what will I get?
Or you could say I want to breed an S/S bird to my eWh Co/Co S/S bird, what will I get?
In the first question we are left wondering what kind of white your bird is?
Dominant White, Recessive White, Silver? In the second, we know precisely what
genes are at work and can predict how they will produce. This is esp. important when
working with a complicated breed like Silver Laced Wyandottes. I had a much
easier time learning them when I got the Van Dort book, " The Genetics of Chicken
Colours-The Basics". It is still available thru the Norh American Serama Club.
The author reprints them in softcover in small runs.
http://chickencolours.com/
Best,
Karen

 

[dannyisforreal]

Any breeders out there that will breed me some bared rock, delaware and buff orpington. Im just looking around but i would need two different sources for them. I can take them ether as eggs or chicks. I prefer no grown chicks.

 

[3riverschick]

Any breeders out there that will breed me some bared rock, delaware and buff orpington. Im just looking around but i would need two different sources for them. I can take them ether as eggs or chicks. I prefer no grown chicks.

Why do you need 2 sources?
welcome to the thread!
Karen

 

[dannyisforreal]

So their babes arn't inbreed. And thanks.

 

[3riverschick]

So their babes arn't inbreed. And thanks.

Inbreeding, wisely managed, isn't a bad thing in poultry. Because of all the sex-linked genes in poultry
it takes linebreeding and/or inbreeding to stabilize the genes so the birds look and produce as their
Standard and history demand.
Best Regards,
Karen

 

[3riverschick]

Van Dort book, " The Genetics of Chicken Colours-The Basics". It is still available thru the Norh American Serama Club.
The author reprints them in softcover in small runs. http://chickencolours.com/ Yes, it is expensive at 87 pounds. But truly,
it's the best educational tool I have sever seen regarding color genetics. The explanations in the 1st half of the book are
easy to understand, and then the pictorial atlas of colors in the back, captioned by the genetic formulas. Makes it easy
to ref the atlas to bring the explanations alive.
Best, Karen

 

[Baybrio]

From long personal experience, not even the biggest Asians are going to successfully defend against even a half grown 'coon. I hunted 'coon from childhood right up 'til somewhere in my mid 50s. They are one of premier fighting machines in the woods.

Any chicken would have just about as much chance with a Wolverine as the 'coon and that's a fact.

You can take this post to the bank because I seriously doubt any others on this site has had MORE experience watching 'coons fight, Even when wounded (especially when wounded) they are more that enough for some dogs, especially those out for their first hunt!

More than once I've seen a small tough dog have to save a big ol' yearling pup from getting his ears torn to shreds...

So..point is....don't believe any chicken has a shot in #### against a 'coon...Most chickens, cocks or hens, wouldn't go near a dead one!!!!!!!

I was going to let this go but this type of comment, along with a lot of others on this thread, is just mean spirited. Now I remember why I stayed away from this site for several years.

 

[3riverschick]

I was going to let this go but this type of comment, along with a lot of others on this thread, is just mean spirited. Now I remember why I stayed away from this site for several years.

Have you read the thread which preceded that post? The gentleman about whose poultry the question arose posted on another BYC thread
that he had a rooster who he used for predator protection. The question arose how big of a predator could a rooster protect the farm from?
Hellbender has a lot of experience hunting 'coons in the West Virginia wilds. The post you object to was his weigh-in on the subject.
He has the experience to make that statement. Nothing mean spirited about it.
Best Regards,
Karen
P.S. Folk not on this list were discussing year pins the other day. I see you are coming up on your 6th anniversary.
Congrats! They mentioned they award the pins looking at the posters activity within the last 60 to 90 days. So, to be
safe, it would probably be good if you upped your activity now so your name pops up when they scan the community.
Just a helpful thought.

 

[NYREDS]

From long personal experience, not even the biggest Asians are going to successfully defend against even a half grown 'coon.  I hunted 'coon from childhood right up 'til somewhere in my mid 50s.  They are one of premier fighting machines in the woods.   

Any chicken would have just about as much chance with a Wolverine as the 'coon and that's a fact. 

[COLOR=B22222]You can take this post to the bank because I seriously doubt any others on this site has had MORE experience watching 'coons fight,  Even when wounded (especially when wounded) they are more that enough for some dogs, especially those out for their first hunt![/COLOR]

[COLOR=B22222]More than once I've seen a small tough dog have to save a big ol' yearling pup from getting his ears torn to shreds...[/COLOR]

[COLOR=B22222]So..point is....don't believe any chicken has a shot in #### against a 'coon...Most chickens, cocks or hens, wouldn't go near a dead one!!!!!!![/COLOR]

You're just not familiar with the kind of chickens BYCers own. Why people here have "ROOS" that fight off hawks, foxes, eagles, dogs, coons, bears, tigers, T rexes,alien invaders & communists. Granted, the ordinary sort of chickens you're used to can't do any of that but we're talking about BYC chickens.

 

[bnjrob]

You're just not familiar with the kind of chickens BYCers own. Why people here have "ROOS" that fight off hawks, foxes, eagles, dogs, coons, bears, tigers, T rexes,alien invaders & communists. Granted, the ordinary sort of chickens you're used to can't do any of that but we're talking about BYC chickens.