Heritage Large Fowl - Phase II

[Beekissed]

I get bird and flock envy quite a bit but never more than when I look at the pics on this thread...pure poultry eye candy they are...so I understand that envy!

 

[thedragonlady]

Oops. I misspoke, sorry. May and Junior are 1/2 siblings. They share the same sire, Senior. Tux is their son.
So this is a son to mother breeding, but it is even closer than that because the parents were already 1/2 siblings.
Basically, I just want to see how far I can inbreed this strain. I am also curious to see if further inbreeding will
cure some of the faults I saw in Tux's generation. I read somewhere that breeders sometimes make the mistake
of quitting inbreeding when just one more generation "in" would solve problems they see crop up from inbreeding.
I don't know if its true but have the ability to try, so thought I would. Sorry for the confusion.
Best,
Karen

Karen,

Try breeding one chicken to another chicken, regardless of pedigree. It's worked for me for 50 + years .I've never seen 2 pieces of paper produce decent offspring yet , unless it's the junk mail in my mailbox.

 

[3riverschick]

Karen,

Try breeding one chicken to another chicken, regardless of pedigree.
It's worked for me for 50 + years .I've never seen 2 pieces of paper
produce decent offspring yet , unless it's the junk mail in my mailbox.

How will I know who is producing what? How can I better my stock if
I don't know who is producing what?
Thanks,
Karen
You mean instead of measuring the ingredients...just stir the mix
and let the good stuff rise to the top? That doesn't work with dogs,
why does it work with poultry?

 

[ronott1]

How will I know who is producing what? How can I better my stock if
I don't know who is producing what?
Thanks,
Karen

Trap nest and individual mating.

I hatched for @capayvalleychick this year and she did this to figure out what her SG Dorkinging were producing as offspring.

 

[maryhysong]

How will I know who is producing what? How can I better my stock if
I don't know who is producing what?
Thanks,
Karen
You mean instead of measuring the ingredients...just stir the mix
and let the good stuff rise to the top? That doesn't work with dogs,
why does it work with poultry?

I don't want to put words in her mouth but I would interpret dragonlady's meaning as not to get so hung up on the pedigree, but to breed good looking birds to good looking birds. I have heard this before.

 

[Lacy Blues]

I have a Delaware ckl that I really like in every way except his comb has side sprigs. My rooster selection is some what limited. If I go ahead and use him is that something that is hard to bred out?

Thank you
Scott

How will I know who is producing what? How can I better my stock if
I don't know who is producing what?
Thanks,
Karen
You mean instead of measuring the ingredients...just stir the mix
and let the good stuff rise to the top? That doesn't work with dogs,
why does it work with poultry?

I tried for years to find the best mating for my large boy that I recently had to dispatch. I never got anything worthwhile. Then, last year, I had a couple of hens go broody. This boy was in with the flock of girls and so I snatched a couple of their eggs. I figured... hey, at least I'll know who the dad is. Well, it's somewhat embarrassing to say but whoever the mother of this one girl is was a definite good match for him. She is the best I've gotten in years. So, no, I don't know her entire pedigree but I guarantee I will not discard her for that reason. I know who the father is so I know half the bloodline anyway. It's like getting a bird from a partner 500 miles away with the same line.

Trap nest and individual mating.

I hatched for @capayvalleychick this year and she did this to figure out what her SG Dorkinging were producing as offspring.

Something I wish I had!

 

[kathyinmo]

I have a Delaware ckl that I really like in every way except his comb has side sprigs. My rooster selection is some what limited. If I go ahead and use him is that something that is hard to bred out?

Thank you
Scott

I would not use him. Not at all.

I bought a dozen white Jersey Giants one time. Every single one of them had side sprigs. The guy said he was trying to work with what he had...... the side sprigs do not go away.

 

[thedragonlady]

How will I know who is producing what? How can I better my stock if
I don't know who is producing what?
Thanks,
Karen
You mean instead of measuring the ingredients...just stir the mix
and let the good stuff rise to the top? That doesn't work with dogs,
why does it work with poultry?

It is easy to do pair matings by alternating hens through a cockbird's coop every few days, or trap nesting. It is no good just
breeding by genotype, without selecting very carefully for phenotype.Like will produce like, more often, as long as you have a picture in your head, and do not deviate from that ideal. It's when you use a bird because he is related, but does not have the characteristics you want, that you get into trouble

Having bred Mastiffs for years, I know that a pedigree is only useful if you can visualize every dog in it.This worked for me in show Nubian dairy goats as well....When I got started, I bought 3 does from 3 different states. They were all registered , but I paid no attention to pedigrees, as I knew nothing about their ancesters. The next fall , when I needed to breed those does, I found out that I had bought 3 does by the same buck, 2 of the does were also out of does who were half sisters.This happy accident was based solely on selecting for phenotype.Those 3 does were the foundation for my winning and top producing show herd.

Breeding by pedigree is practiced by the track Greyhound people. They breed speed to speed, without regard for conformation. Since most all races are now short distances, the track hounds no longer look like the greyhound on the bus. They are now shorter legged, big headed dogs, with no depth of chest, and don't have the endurance of hounds bred for distances. They do, for the most part, now have dark eyes, and eye rims, as running under lights affected the light eyed ones.

 

[har]

I would not use him. Not at all.

I bought a dozen white Jersey Giants one time. Every single one of them had side sprigs. The guy said he was trying to work with what he had...... the side sprigs do not go away.

Thanks Kathy. I remember them Jersey Giants!!!

 

[Lacy Blues]

It is easy to do pair matings by alternating hens through a cockbird's coop every few days, or trap nesting. It is no good just
breeding by genotype, without selecting very carefully for phenotype.Like will produce like, more often, as long as you have a picture in your head, and do not deviate from that ideal. It's when you use a bird because he is related, but does not have the characteristics you want, that you get into trouble

Having bred Mastiffs for years, I know that a pedigree is only useful if you can visualize every dog in it.This worked for me in show Nubian dairy goats as well....When I got started, I bought 3 does from 3 different states. They were all registered , but I paid no attention to pedigrees, as I knew nothing about their ancesters. The next fall , when I needed to breed those does, I found out that I had bought 3 does by the same buck, 2 of the does were also out of does who were half sisters.This happy accident was based solely on selecting for phenotype.Those 3 does were the foundation for my winning and top producing show herd.

Breeding by pedigree is practiced by the track Greyhound people. They breed speed to speed, without regard for conformation. Since most all races are now short distances, the track hounds no longer look like the greyhound on the bus. They are now shorter legged, big headed dogs, with no depth of chest, and don't have the endurance of hounds bred for distances. They do, for the most part, now have dark eyes, and eye rims, as running under lights affected the light eyed ones.

Could you explain these two terms at the idiot level please?