Heritage Large Fowl - Phase II

It is one of those realities that some of us have a hard time with, especially when confronted with the visual reality of it.
So true. Particularly when you don't grow up on a farm that butchers cattle/chickens/hogs etc - it's harder to get accustomed to this kind of thing because people have gotten so far removed from their food. People like me, who want to raise my own food, learn to deal with it in their own way. I'm finally to the point where I can pluck our birds and actually touch dead birds and hope to get to the point where I can actually slaughter them by myself without my husband's help. But it takes time for me to get things into my comfort zone when it come to killing an animal for food. And I know that not everyone is ever going to be comfortable with butchering an animal for food.

A big frustration of mine is the people that are all "ewww" and calling me a murderer for butchering our own chickens - but they eat meat. Really? If you are a vegan or even a lacto-ovo vegetarian - fine, it doesn't bother me as much when you think I am terrible that I eat my own chickens. But if you eat any kind of meat product - even chicken broth, it's not cool to be telling me how horrible you think I am when you are eating products from the store from animals that are kept in conditions nowhere near as nice as my chickens are.

I read a thought provoking article recently that discussed coming to grips with your food. It had an interesting section regarding even vegetarians/vegans who while they may not be eating "sentient beings", they are eating living things - plants. And even though they aren't eating meat, animals still die in the process of farming. They die when people clear land for farming by loss of habitat/food. clearing/farming. Animals die from coming into contact with machinery used to clear land and used to farm the land. They die from traps and poisons used to protect the growing crops. But of course people don't always think about those kinds of things.

People seem to get frustrated when this thread isn't always about specifically breeding the chicken, looking at chickens, etc. But you can only talk about those things so much. When there aren't people bringing up new questions or comments that elicit responses to a very specific topic, it's kinda hard to keep a thread alive with such a limited scope. And there really are aspects of "heritage" chickens that aren't always going to be just what they look like, which ones to get, or how to breed them. I think the thread is doing fine the way that the micro-topics flow.
 
I grew up on a orchard. No raising and slaughtering of animals. My grandparents were farmers. But when I was older I really wasn't around it. My biggest worry when I first started keeping chickens was worry over a 'clean kill'. And I still hate to clean and pluck a chicken. I'd rather skin it. I feel way more comfortable with the idea of a chicken being kept as dinner than I do a horse. Chickens are little dinosaurs. No problem at all killing and eating one of my raising. I feel differently about keeping and killing other livestock. Sorry...don't want to kill and eat my geese. I've put to much effort into training them and they do a darn good job entertaining me when they chase my sons big strapping teenage friends. I've gotten around my slaughter problem by just dropping off a dog crate full of them to be processed. Its a job I hate and my time is worth something. I still occasionally process one because it just needs to go. I skin it and smoke it. I can choose to buy my other meat from sources that support the small farmer and eases my mind that the animal lived like it should and was well cared for before it was slaughtered. Just where I'm at. I am deeply mistrustful of factory farmed anything.

I do feed my chickens what ever meat left overs we don't use. Chickens are the ultimate composter. You can't give them everything out of the fridge when you clean it, but they will sure eat a lot of it.

Like Karen I'm cautious about organ meats for the same reasons. Since I've switched to buying in bulk, I do give them organ meats from that. No blood. I'm sure they would love it. Blood is life.

I'm just not set up to feed the way Ron does. For many reasons. One of the reasons its gotten so hard to buy chicken feed with no animal protein is because of cross contamination regulations. I can't easily get feed custom mixed for me. So, good crumble, fermented grains and a couple times a week cheap meat.

It does really bug me when I see eggs marketed in the grocery store as not fed any animal protein.
 
Like Karen I'm cautious about organ meats for the same reasons. Since I've switched to buying in bulk, I do give them organ meats from that. No blood. I'm sure they would love it. Blood is life.

I'm just not set up to feed the way Ron does. For many reasons. One of the reasons its gotten so hard to buy chicken feed with no animal protein is because of cross contamination regulations. I can't easily get feed custom mixed for me. So, good crumble, fermented grains and a couple times a week cheap meat.

It does really bug me when I see eggs marketed in the grocery store as not fed any animal protein.
Hi pigsflyaces,
Except for feeding the organ meat, I agree with you.
I don't ferment the grain tho, I sprout it.
On another note, I have a couple of small hams made
of chopped ham. They are too salty for me so
I thought I would fix them fror the chickens. I know if
I slice and braise them in 7up that will draw some of the salt out.
Does anyone know if there is a limit to the saltiness
one can give their birds in meat?
Thanks,
Karen
 
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Hi pigsflyaces,
Except for feeding the organ meat, I agree with you.
I don't ferment the grain tho, I sprout it.
On another note, I have a couple of small hams made
of chopped ham. They are too salty for me so
I thought I would fix them fror the chickens. I know if
I slice and braise them in 7up that will draw some of the salt out.
Does anyone know if there is a limit to the saltiness
one can give their birds in meat?
Thanks,
Karen
I'd be very cautious of too much salt. Boiling them in fairly deep water should help remove salt plus you'd have an excellent stock to boil beans for you to make delicious bean soup!
 
I also give carcasses to my hens. I really need,to pick up the bones left over. It's beginning to look like a boneyard now that all the snow melted,lol

You could probably pressure cook those carcasses along the lines of what Ron does, on a smaller scale. Maybe add some other stuff in with it, too for added nutriens. Turn those bones to mush and mix the mush in with their other feed.
 
Oh well, it was an idea anyway. I will find something else to give them.
Maybe I will start a redworm farm. I can control the quality, sell surplus
to the fisherman, ( they stock the creek across from our house), use
the casings and worm tea for my garden. It's meat and fresh and
unadulterated. I don't see a downside to that.
Best,
Karen


Excerpt from online article.
~~How nutritious are these Red Worms to your Chickens?
Red wigglers as chicken food is packed with Proteins. Aside from that, it’s
been also recognized to offer more nutrients compared to either beef or
fish meals. In this matter, Protein is said to be 65% to 80% higher than
the two mentioned.
 
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Does anybody have the link to the university that has necropsy photos? I actually don't need normal organs, I need to see some things that are far from normal. I just had the weirdest experience butchering a bird! I've got pictures but I'm pretty sure some people on here would probably hurl. So, if anyone has links to information I can look at (pictures too) it would be very much appreciated.
 
Does anybody have the link to the university that has necropsy photos? I actually don't need normal organs, I need to see some things that are far from normal. I just had the weirdest experience butchering a bird! I've got pictures but I'm pretty sure some people on here would probably hurl. So, if anyone has links to information I can look at (pictures too) it would be very much appreciated.
why not start a thread with warnings? I did that for my water balloon chicken.....
 
Does anybody have the link to the university that has necropsy photos? I actually don't need normal organs, I need to see some things that are far from normal. I just had the weirdest experience butchering a bird! I've got pictures but I'm pretty sure some people on here would probably hurl. So, if anyone has links to information I can look at (pictures too) it would be very much appreciated.
This what you are looking for? Warning graphic pics!:
http://naturalchickenkeeping.blogspot.com/2013/11/how-to-perform-necropsy-autopsy-on.html
http://naturalchickenkeeping.blogspot.com/2013/01/diary-of-sick-chicken-graphic.html
BYC thread, pics heavy:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/590678/necropsy-pics-need-opinions-graphic
Atlas of Avian diseases from Cornell University: very graphic:
http://www.poultrydisease.ir/Atlases/avian-atlas/search/lesion/385.html
 
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Does anybody have the link to the university that has necropsy photos?  I actually don't need normal organs, I need to see some things that are far from normal.  I just had the weirdest experience butchering a bird!  I've got pictures but I'm pretty sure some people on here would probably hurl.  So, if anyone has links to information I can look at (pictures too) it would be very much appreciated.

why not start a thread with warnings? I did that for my water balloon chicken.....
X2 I would be interested in seeing them.
 

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