Lets not forget Lincoln he paid a high price for the war also. This is a very interesting thread... the actual history related posts anyways.
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I did too...and I actually agreed with you on a number of points. Go figure!
I did too...and I actually agreed with you on a number of points. Go figure!
I thougth about letting the civil war end again today. But I also
thought about the other people who read, and comment, on this
thread. And I personally find American history a very interesting
subject. History has so much to show us if we will but give it a chance.
Newton's Law taught us that for every action there is an equal and
opposite reaction. Applies to more than science.
The civil war was fought, ended and it brought certain actions into play.
I asked Q9 and TM to tell us some of what they felt were indirect results
of the war, both good and bad. Perhaps I was wrong in not giving them
time to prepare an answer. But it really looked like an easy question to me.
The Ku Klux Klan comes my mind instantly. Direct result of the war. One of the
main outcomes of the war was in ending slavery. But the white south --which
they theirself thought supreme-- now has trouble wrapping their head around
the fact that the all men are created equal.
The Jim Crow laws, Louisiana's Grandfather Clause, the Mississippi Plan...these
are all Southern plans to hold the colored down. Or perhaps we could discuss a
couple of admendments passsed by congress to further the "all men are equal".
Reconstruction in the South was expensive. Did you know it was done with FEDERAL
MONEY? Money borrowed, which raised the national debt. Expensive thing, war.
But the new south begins to move away from the one-crop economy. But go way
back to one of my earlier post where I claimed the south had a need of a better
goverment. They fought a war based on emotion. Not a thought out plan. Now the
south trys to move to a industrial era but the industry ends up being owned by the
North's big businessmen. Within twenty years or so, the majority owners are not from
the south. Even overseas.
Along the way railroads in the United States become standardized, using one gauge
track. During the civil war years there were many different tracks in use making travel
difficult. A unified track size makes it possible to ship across country. (This also had a
effect how soldiers were unable to move quickly during the war)
In 1867, congress created the first education office in the goverment. In some form or
other , the education office has continued since then.
Much more, but I'll stop there. See if anyone else has something they would like to add.
Spook
thought about the other people who read, and comment, on this
thread. And I personally find American history a very interesting
subject. History has so much to show us if we will but give it a chance.
Newton's Law taught us that for every action there is an equal and
opposite reaction. Applies to more than science.
The civil war was fought, ended and it brought certain actions into play.
I asked Q9 and TM to tell us some of what they felt were indirect results
of the war, both good and bad. Perhaps I was wrong in not giving them
time to prepare an answer. But it really looked like an easy question to me.
The Ku Klux Klan comes my mind instantly. Direct result of the war. One of the
main outcomes of the war was in ending slavery. But the white south --which
they theirself thought supreme-- now has trouble wrapping their head around
the fact that the all men are created equal.
The Jim Crow laws, Louisiana's Grandfather Clause, the Mississippi Plan...these
are all Southern plans to hold the colored down. Or perhaps we could discuss a
couple of admendments passsed by congress to further the "all men are equal".
Reconstruction in the South was expensive. Did you know it was done with FEDERAL
MONEY? Money borrowed, which raised the national debt. Expensive thing, war.
But the new south begins to move away from the one-crop economy. But go way
back to one of my earlier post where I claimed the south had a need of a better
goverment. They fought a war based on emotion. Not a thought out plan. Now the
south trys to move to a industrial era but the industry ends up being owned by the
North's big businessmen. Within twenty years or so, the majority owners are not from
the south. Even overseas.
Along the way railroads in the United States become standardized, using one gauge
track. During the civil war years there were many different tracks in use making travel
difficult. A unified track size makes it possible to ship across country. (This also had a
effect how soldiers were unable to move quickly during the war)
In 1867, congress created the first education office in the goverment. In some form or
other , the education office has continued since then.
Much more, but I'll stop there. See if anyone else has something they would like to add.
Spook
Klu Klux Klan was originally a political party the represented the south and fought for southern rights. The founder who I forgot his name was a white southern politician. After about 5 years more people started joining that were whites that had racist tensions towards black people. The original founder did not like the way it was heading and left the "group". Then it turned into the KKK as we know it today. A college campus had the original founder statue in the middle of the campus. People petitioned against it saying they were offended by it and they took it down. Most of them didn't even know the reason why he founded it in the first place. I think the campus was in memphis but can't remember for sure.
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i would like to hear more from your thoughts on this. you're obviously rather knowledgeable on the civil war, and you have a pretty unbiased view as well making it enjoyable to read what you write
i would like to hear more from your thoughts on this. you're obviously rather knowledgeable on the civil war, and you have a pretty unbiased view as well making it enjoyable to read what you write
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well, think of it this way. the nazi party did good things (though it no way out weighed the bad horrible things they did) but the things the nazis did was so horrible that no one wants anything honoring the nazis.
the man who started the kkk started a group that would eventually become notorious for their hate and horrible crimes. just because he wanted it to be something different doesn't change what it has become. you know they say about the road to you know where being paved with good intentions.
well, think of it this way. the nazi party did good things (though it no way out weighed the bad horrible things they did) but the things the nazis did was so horrible that no one wants anything honoring the nazis.
the man who started the kkk started a group that would eventually become notorious for their hate and horrible crimes. just because he wanted it to be something different doesn't change what it has become. you know they say about the road to you know where being paved with good intentions.
The original KKK was started by 6 confederate veterans of the Civil War. It was then restarted in 1921 again I think.
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I was just trying to retain the history I learned from my teacher. I think I was talking about it in 1921 if thats the case, cause I remember one important main man who then later left. When it turned into the organization that we know of today.
I was just trying to retain the history I learned from my teacher. I think I was talking about it in 1921 if thats the case, cause I remember one important main man who then later left. When it turned into the organization that we know of today.
The KKK was never a political party. In started twice, once immediately following the Civil War, and again in the early part of the twentieth century.
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