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Not sure about anywhere else, but in Texas broccoli, cauliflower, spinach, and lettuce are fall/winter crops. I have never been able to start them outside either--always have to start them inside.

I've had great success growing spinach, lettuce, kale, cabbage and Swiss chard from seed outside, but never broccoli or cauliflower. Actually, a couple of freezing nights has done wonders to improve my leafy greens yield....so much so that I've had to feed nearly half of what I've grown to my chickens, which they certainly don't complain about. Oh...and beets and carrots too.
 
I have been reading everyones great ideas and suggestions but was wondering how different people handle weeds. We have very gregarious grass around here and every year I lose out to the weeds. Part of my problem is that planting and early weeding is at the peak time of my year at work ( I am a special education teacher) and so by time I dig out of my paperwork, and spring concerts, and awards presentations and plays and dances, etc the weeds have me.

I have tried raised beds, traditional rows, etc. I don't use any harmful chemicals in my garden and try to use chicken and horse compost for fertilizer. I know that the horse manure has a fairly high weed problem but don't want to stop using it because the plants (weeds mostly but also the tomatoes, squash, etc) love it. I compost the horse manure near the garden and pull the compost into the garden. The chickens play in the garden all winter. I have dabbled in vermicomposting and have even considered a controlled burn in the garden to "kill" the weeds/ grass. Any ideas.


Talithahorse
 
I have been reading everyones great ideas and suggestions but was wondering how different people handle weeds. We have very gregarious grass around here and every year I lose out to the weeds. Part of my problem is that planting and early weeding is at the peak time of my year at work ( I am a special education teacher) and so by time I dig out of my paperwork, and spring concerts, and awards presentations and plays and dances, etc the weeds have me.

I have tried raised beds, traditional rows, etc. I don't use any harmful chemicals in my garden and try to use chicken and horse compost for fertilizer. I know that the horse manure has a fairly high weed problem but don't want to stop using it because the plants (weeds mostly but also the tomatoes, squash, etc) love it. I compost the horse manure near the garden and pull the compost into the garden. The chickens play in the garden all winter. I have dabbled in vermicomposting and have even considered a controlled burn in the garden to "kill" the weeds/ grass. Any ideas.


Talithahorse

Well, I don't have weeds. I use cattle feed/water troughs, fill them either with compost or straw bales, and plant all of my produce in them. I never use chemicals of any type, and all of my fertilizers, when I need to use them, are also organic. The beds are raised to a comfortable level for harvesting since they're in troughs, and rabbits can't reach my valuable produce. I even added taps and hoses to the water drainage plugs to allow me to collect "compost tea" when the rains have come or I've over-watered. I might have to spend one day per month pulling a weed from a seed that found its way into my trough, but it's a pretty rare occurrence. And using the troughs also allows me to grow during the winter months. It's pretty easy to manufacture a cold frame to put over the top of the trough if needed. This year I need to work on a way to secure shade cloth for our harsh summers...something that can withstand our intense winds here.
 
Not sure about anywhere else, but in Texas broccoli, cauliflower, spinach, and lettuce are fall/winter crops. I have never been able to start them outside either--always have to start them inside.
Here in NYS, they're early spring or late summer. Cold crops. I always figured in TX your seasons would start at different times than ours. Is that true? When does your spring start? I figured if we moved south I'd be skipping much of the summer but planting now for my spring.
 
I've had great success growing spinach, lettuce, kale, cabbage and Swiss chard from seed outside, but never broccoli or cauliflower. Actually, a couple of freezing nights has done wonders to improve my leafy greens yield....so much so that I've had to feed nearly half of what I've grown to my chickens, which they certainly don't complain about. Oh...and beets and carrots too.
I can do lettuce and those from seed outside too. Well not cabbage. Broccoli and Cauliflower have to be started indoors. In fact Ideally I'd be setting up for seed starting about Feb or March. This is why I like to get my catalogs now.
 
I have been reading everyones great ideas and suggestions but was wondering how different people handle weeds. We have very gregarious grass around here and every year I lose out to the weeds. Part of my problem is that planting and early weeding is at the peak time of my year at work ( I am a special education teacher) and so by time I dig out of my paperwork, and spring concerts, and awards presentations and plays and dances, etc the weeds have me.

I have tried raised beds, traditional rows, etc. I don't use any harmful chemicals in my garden and try to use chicken and horse compost for fertilizer. I know that the horse manure has a fairly high weed problem but don't want to stop using it because the plants (weeds mostly but also the tomatoes, squash, etc) love it. I compost the horse manure near the garden and pull the compost into the garden. The chickens play in the garden all winter. I have dabbled in vermicomposting and have even considered a controlled burn in the garden to "kill" the weeds/ grass. Any ideas.


Talithahorse

Okay here are some ideas.

You could use cardboard or newspaper for mulch. OR you could use both of those and cover with straw or hay or compost. Both cardboard and newspapers will break down.

You could use garden cloth or plastic but each of these does break down eventually and is a pain to be pulled up.

Now the "three sisters" method is to plant corn, beans and squash together so the large squash leaves block out the weeds.

The key is to not let weeds go to seed. Of course if you're not ocd, you can let a few weeds grow with no trouble. Just pull the majority of them out.

My raised beds are easiest for me since I don't have far to bend over to pull the weeds and they come up fairly easy.

I've used cardboard in this garden. I use a weed whacker to get near the beds. I have used the weed whacker in the bottom pic and I just leave the weeds to die. I had a cordless and it was enough. I may buy another,rather than my gas whacker which is more work for such an easy thing.



 
Here in NYS, they're early spring or late summer. Cold crops.  I always figured in TX your seasons would start at different times than ours. Is that true?  When does your spring start?  I figured if we moved south I'd be skipping much of the summer but planting now for my spring. 

I'm in central Texas (zone 8). Our fall (mid Oct & Nov) and spring (Mar-May/June) have temps in the 70's & 80's. Winter (Dec-Feb-ish) is much like our fall & spring except with some weeks in the 50's & 60's, and some 20's, 30's & 40's occasionally thrown in there.

July, Aug, & Sept are usually HOT & humid. Our family works on inside projects as much as we can during those months. It usually doesn't start cooling down to a bearable temp until after 7pm. So you have about 1-2 hours of tolerable, though sticky, evening time to do outside chores & gardening. Most herbs do great in summer here. As do tomatoes and peppers. But it just seems to get too hot for some of the other things that ya'll probably grow up north during that time. On top of that, I don't want to be out in the heat trying to limp along some struggling plants that I could grow in the fall/winter much more easily. Yes, I'm THAT lazy. :lol:

We actually have 2 window units in our barn to keep our dairy cows cool during the hottest part of the summer. The door has one of those refrigeration curtains on it to keep the cool air in and still allow the cows to come and go as they please. The temp in the barn is a cool 78- 80 degrees with about 20% humidity, which is a HUGE difference from 98-108 with 80% humidity.

It has had an enormous impact on the temperment of the cows. They're much less destructive and much less stressed. Research has shown that milk production is decreased by 40-50% when dairy cows are heat stressed. We A/C a 16x19 room for 3 jerseys, and our elect bill has increased by less than $50/mo. in July, Aug & Sept. The increase in summer milk production alone is worth that to me (if the research proves accurate). We're not in milk production yet, so it remains to be seen. But I can definitely say that the difference in their personalities from non-A/C to A/C is quite noticeable. They're calm, rested and playful. Not itchy, fussy, and rubbing all their hair off. It's also a low fly & mosquito zone, since they have to walk through the rubber curtain to get inside. Also, I'd MUCH rather milk a cow in 80 deg. than 100+ deg. Same goes for honey extraction. We do that inside also if it's too hot outside.

We're looking into building an underground barn, so hopefully we won't have to rely on electricity to cool it. We can also use it for root and cheese storage. That's a future dream/project though.

Anyhoo-- that's what works for us....
 
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I'm in central Texas (zone 8). Our fall (mid Oct & Nov) and spring (Mar-May/June) have temps in the 70's & 80's. Winter (Dec-Feb-ish) is much like our fall & spring except with some weeks in the 50's & 60's, and some 20's, 30's & 40's occasionally thrown in there.

July, Aug, & Sept are usually HOT & humid. Our family works on inside projects as much as we can during those months. It usually doesn't start cooling down to a bearable temp until after 7pm. So you have about 1-2 hours of tolerable, though sticky, evening time to do outside chores & gardening. Most herbs do great in summer here. As do tomatoes and peppers. But it just seems to get too hot for some of the other things that ya'll probably grow up north during that time. On top of that, I don't want to be out in the heat trying to limp along some struggling plants that I could grow in the fall/winter much more easily. Yes, I'm THAT lazy.
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We actually have 2 window units in our barn to keep our dairy cows cool during the hottest part of the summer. The door has one of those refrigeration curtains on it to keep the cool air in and still allow the cows to come and go as they please. The temp in the barn is a cool 78- 80 degrees with about 20% humidity, which is a HUGE difference from 98-108 with 80% humidity.

It has had an enormous impact on the temperment of the cows. They're much less destructive and much less stressed. Research has shown that milk production is decreased by 40-50% when dairy cows are heat stressed. We A/C a 16x19 room for 3 jerseys, and our elect bill has increased by less than $50/mo. in July, Aug & Sept. The increase in summer milk production alone is worth that to me (if the research proves accurate). We're not in milk production yet, so it remains to be seen. But I can definitely say that the difference in their personalities from non-A/C to A/C is quite noticeable. They're calm, rested and playful. Not itchy, fussy, and rubbing all their hair off. It's also a low fly & mosquito zone, since they have to walk through the rubber curtain to get inside. Also, I'd MUCH rather milk a cow in 80 deg. than 100+ deg. Same goes for honey extraction. We do that inside also if it's too hot outside.

We're looking into building an underground barn, so hopefully we won't have to rely on electricity to cool it. We can also use it for root and cheese storage. That's a future dream/project though.

Anyhoo-- that's what works for us....

It's amazing what passes for lazy these days. You're smart. Fact is the amount of return you get for nursing plants along is minimal and not worth the time and effort.

I didn't know about the cow thing. We who do not have cows are ignorant about such things. I suppose it's why we should not be on a board to vote about such things. This is why I don't get anything more than chickens. I'd have to do a lot of research first and I don't have the time.

My DD and hers lives in the Houston area. We're talking about coming down for some time in the winter, after everything gets squared away with DW.

Take care,
 
My DD and hers lives in the Houston area. We're talking about coming down for some time in the winter, after everything gets squared away with DW. 


Oh good. Then you'll get to experience a Texas 'winter', if you haven't already. My DH and I lived in the Hou area for 20 years. They're zone 9 (coastal). We're 2 hours north of Hou now, and seem to have a different 'climate' (if you will). We've been in zone 8 for 5 years now, and I'm still learning about things I can grow here that I couldn't by the coast and vice-versa.

NYS is gorgeous. We were there a few years ago in the fall. Up by Rhinebeck & West Point. The trees were beautiful! Are you in a mountainy area?

Our property is located in what is called a Post Oak Savannah. We have veins of rich soil, veins of sandy loam, and veins of mucky clay & petrified wood running through our property. It's pretty neat, but also poses it's own set of problems. We can't just pick a plot and plant on it, we have to pick a plot and then figure out what trees, etc. would work in that particular vein of soil. LOL!

I use a combination of raised beds, sheet mulching, and guilds, though I haven't tried the three sisters guild yet. Right now I'm setting up our fruit tree guilds.

We found out that in the winter, a nursery chain in Houston, TX marks all their trees down by 70%. The people in that area seem to do more landscape type of planting, so they try to get rid of the trees to get ready for 'spring color' I guess. So my DH & I drive 2 hrs south and load up on fruit trees & vines. 1 gallon pots (trees & fruiting vines) for $4 to $18 each. Most run about $6-8. We bought one untagged "Mystery" tree for $4 just for fun last year. We still haven't figured out what it is.

Things like Kiwi's are in the $18 range (regularly $60). We got 2 females and a male last year to see if they would work in our zone, but the sun killed 1 female and fire ants killed the 2nd female. So now we just have one lonely male :th. All the 'cheap' plants lived though. Go figure. We'll get another female or two this year and plant them directly under the oak tree to see how that works. I'll also keep a better eye on them for fire ants. If that doesn't work, I don't know what I'll do with our poor little male. He seems pretty happy so far, so it's not the soil. I planted them on the north side of our chicken run which is under an oak tree, so they had something to climb, and they had shade. The male is a little more shaded than the females were though, so I'm hoping more shade is the key.

If anyone knows about kiwi's, I'm open for suggestions. :lol:
 
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Oh good. Then you'll get to experience a Texas 'winter', if you haven't already. My DH and I lived in the Hou area for 20 years. They're zone 9 (coastal). We're 2 hours north of Hou now, and seem to have a different 'climate' (if you will). We've been in zone 8 for 5 years now, and I'm still learning about things I can grow here that I couldn't by the coast and vice-versa.

NYS is gorgeous. We were there a few years ago in the fall. Up by Rhinebeck & West Point. The trees were beautiful! Are you in a mountainy area?

Our property is located in what is called a Post Oak Savannah. We have veins of rich soil, veins of sandy loam, and veins of mucky clay & petrified wood running through our property. It's pretty neat, but also poses it's own set of problems. We can't just pick a plot and plant on it, we have to pick a plot and then figure out what trees, etc. would work in that particular vein of soil. LOL!

I use a combination of raised beds, sheet mulching, and guilds, though I haven't tried the three sisters guild yet. Right now I'm setting up our fruit tree guilds.

We found out that in the winter, a nursery chain in Houston, TX marks all their trees down by 70%. The people in that area seem to do more landscape type of planting, so they try to get rid of the trees to get ready for 'spring color' I guess. So my DH & I drive 2 hrs south and load up on fruit trees & vines. 1 gallon pots (trees & fruiting vines) for $4 to $18 each. Most run about $6-8. We bought one untagged "Mystery" tree for $4 just for fun last year. We still haven't figured out what it is.

Things like Kiwi's are in the $18 range (regularly $60). We got 2 females and a male last year to see if they would work in our zone, but the sun killed 1 female and fire ants killed the 2nd female. So now we just have one lonely male
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. All the 'cheap' plants lived though. Go figure. We'll get another female or two this year and plant them directly under the oak tree to see how that works. I'll also keep a better eye on them for fire ants. If that doesn't work, I don't know what I'll do with our poor little male. He seems pretty happy so far, so it's not the soil. I planted them on the north side of our chicken run which is under an oak tree, so they had something to climb, and they had shade. The male is a little more shaded than the females were though, so I'm hoping more shade is the key.

If anyone knows about kiwi's, I'm open for suggestions.
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I don't know about Kiwi nor fire ants. Buying cheap at the end of season can yield some good buys. IF you have things situated for them. Not like myself who got a deal but nothing really took. I really should have had the spots for them prepared.

Currants, Gooseberries and Raspberries. Everyone says they're easy but not for me.

I planted Rhubarb and it died too. Now I've got it in raised beds and it did okay this year but we shall see after winter.

1 Granny Smith apple. It had flowers but no fruit. I suspect either no bees to pollinate it or cooties. I'll watch it more closely this spring.
 

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