Horses!!!!!!!!

[res]

ok this is kinda of an emergency!!!!!!!!! i need fly sray bad but i dont want to buy it so i was wondering if anybody knows if this recipe will work:
-1 cup vinegar
-1 cup water
-1/2 cup dishsoap
eager for a reply
thanks in advance

Someone at my barn made this concoction, too, but they also added lemon oil. It absolutely smells wonderful, but the flies just laugh at it. It makes the flies go a few inches away, to another body part, and then they come back shortly after the spray dries. IMO, it is not effective at all...

I prefer Gordon's Horse & Pony Spray that is sold at TSC. It is oil based, so it lasts, and it is VERY cheap compared to the Farnam variety of fly spray with the same ingredients. It kills any fly that lands on the horse. For hours. The flies land, start shaking - shivering - convulsing, and usually fall of backward. Sometimes they die right where they are sitting - it only takes seconds.

 

[TherryChicken]

Anyone deal with a horse that has DSLD-ESPA?

 

[jesikashek]

This is my girl Poco! She is 75% QH and 25% paint! Her grandfather is Two eyed Jack.Champion QH in Nebraska!

 

[MaggieRae]

This is my girl Poco! She is 75% QH and 25% paint! Her grandfather is Two eyed Jack.Champion QH in Nebraska!

Your mare is gorgeous!

 

[TherryChicken]

Your mare is gorgeous!

Xs2

 

[ChickenLover200]

In reply to the one previous conversation about training minis, my mini Eli was abused and beaten by all of his previous owners. I have family members that think im babying him, but im not. If i were babying him, he wouldnt be getting correction at all. He is a stallion and he is 15. Ive been working with him since i got him6 years ago. I do admit that im not at the age which anyone would consider "grown up"and i do receive a lot of negative comments about my training. One thing i do know is that i know my Eli better than anyone and who better to know how to train him? Past few weeks ive accomplished in actually puttin a saddle on him and this is something NO ONE in my family cand do other than me. Eli was abused with whips and anything else imaginable. " people" think i should use the whip to show him who is boss and make him do what i want, but right now, i am earning his trust. Yesterday, after someone in my family decided to show me what "they" could do by whipping eli, i refuse to let anyone other than ME work with him. After that, eli became this monster of a horse that no one could control and he tried to plow me over. I of course stood my ground but it was a fight to get eli to listen. I decided to quit for the day and now i feel like everthing i had accomplished is down te tubes. I know eli can be a great horse and it will take time and patience but for this week, i cant handle eli because im not feeling well. Next week im going back to work with him and starting over from the very beginning. Eli only trusted one person and that was me. Now he trusts no one it seems. I know by working with himand taking my time i can earn his trust again. I just have to be patient.
My point? It doesnt mattr how young you are or inexperienced you may be, you will learn a LOT working with a horse and like i saw someone say, dont be afraid to ask for help, but make sure you assess the situation and know that that person is helping you and not undoing everyting you did. I personally will not ask for anymore help unless i know i can trust the person being asked to npt undo anything thatni did in training.
No matter how hard it gets, dont give up, be patient.

 

[Bunnylady]

I don't know if you are babying Eli or not, but it seems to me that, if you have been handling a stallion for 6 years and he hasn't chewed you up yet, you must be doing something right.

Horses are flight animals; their lives are governed by fear. Where fear ends, trust begins; as Clinton Anderson put it, "I don't want my horse to fear either me or my tools." People who don't understand horses can get all bent out of shape about using a whip on a horse, but a whip is just a tool; used correctly, it can be extremely useful when working with a horse of any size.

A whip is not just a tool of correction, though it can be. Some horse people talk about the "three second rule" with horses - when a horse misbehaves, he must be corrected immediately, or he learns nothing. If a horse kicks up at me when in a round pen, he needs to be corrected when he kicks up; it does no good to wait until I catch him to read him the riot act or whale the stuffing out of him. Beating a horse does nothing except teach him that very unpleasant things may happen if he lets me catch him, so if he's smart, he won't let me catch him - not a lesson that any smart horseman wants his horse to learn!

A whip, used correctly, should be more or less an extension of your arm. If you can get your horse to move with just your voice and body language, great! You should always aim for the least amount of pressure that it takes to get the animal to do what you want. If you watch horses in a pasture, they are constantly moving each other around; they usually do it by the use of body language. They generally only get physical when the lower-ranking animal doesn't move out of the way of the dominant animal. As long as the subordinate horse shows respect for the dominant horse, they get along peacefully.

Particularly with minis, there can be a very fine line between getting respect and creating fear. Sometimes, with a disrespectful animal, you need to go into the fear zone, just to make sure he knows where the boundaries are. But knowing how hard to push, and when to back off, takes a certain amount of experience and finesse. You want a horse to be thinking about what you are asking and what it is doing, not just reacting on blind instinct. It sounds like your family member came on very heavy-handed, which pushed Eli over the edge into "fight or flight" mode. It sounds like that really accomplished nothing beyond upsetting both the horse and you.

At some point, you will need to work on getting Eli over this fear of whips. You might say, "but, I'm never going to use a whip on my horse; if he's scared of it, won't it just teach him to be scared of me, if I expose him to it?" Actually, avoiding things that you know your horse is scared of just makes him more scared. Getting him to stay calm and think around "scary" things that you can control, makes it more likely that he will continue to think when something you can't control happens. The horse learns to stay calm, and trust you to do the thinking, rather than panicking and trying to run away.

 

[OnlyOrps]

I don't know if you are babying Eli or not, but it seems to me that, if you have been handling a stallion for 6 years and he hasn't chewed you up yet, you must be doing something right.

Horses are flight animals; their lives are governed by fear. Where fear ends, trust begins; as Clinton Anderson put it, "I don't want my horse to fear either me or my tools." People who don't understand horses can get all bent out of shape about using a whip on a horse, but a whip is just a tool; used correctly, it can be extremely useful when working with a horse of any size. 

A whip is not just a tool of correction, though it can be. Some horse people talk about the "three second rule" with horses - when a horse misbehaves, he must be corrected immediately, or he learns nothing. If a horse kicks up at me when in a round pen, he needs to be corrected when he kicks up; it does no good to wait until I catch him to read him the riot act or whale the stuffing out of him. Beating a horse does nothing except teach him that very unpleasant things may happen if he lets me catch him, so if he's smart, he won't let me catch him - not a lesson that any smart horseman wants his horse to learn!

A whip, used correctly, should be more or less an extension of your arm. If you can get your horse to move with just your voice and body language, great! You should always aim for the least amount of pressure that it takes to get the animal to do what you want. If you watch horses in a pasture, they are constantly moving each other around; they usually do it by the use of body language. They generally only get physical when the lower-ranking animal doesn't move out of the way of the dominant animal. As long as the subordinate horse shows respect for the dominant horse, they get along peacefully.

Particularly with minis, there can be a very fine line between getting respect and creating fear. Sometimes, with a disrespectful animal, you need to go into the fear zone, just to make sure he knows where the boundaries are. But knowing how hard to push, and when to back off, takes a certain amount of experience and finesse. You want a horse to be thinking about what you are asking and what it is doing, not just reacting on blind instinct.  It sounds like your family member came on very heavy-handed, which pushed Eli over the edge into "fight or flight" mode. It sounds like that really accomplished nothing beyond upsetting both the horse and you. 

At some point, you will need to work on getting Eli over this fear of whips.  You might say, "but, I'm never going to use a whip on my horse; if he's scared of it, won't it just teach him to be scared of me, if I expose him to it?" Actually, avoiding things that you know your horse is scared of just makes him more scared. Getting him to stay calm and think around "scary" things that you can control, makes it more likely that he will continue to think when something you can't control happens. The horse learns to stay calm, and trust you to do the thinking, rather than panicking and trying to run away.

Yes! A whip should be an extension of your arm, not a weapon, it is designed to reach the appropriate area to prompt a horse to do what you need without twisting in the saddle of losing your seat, or on the ground to stay in a safe position and still reach the button you need. Same with Spurs!

 

[ChickenLover200]

I completely agree. I do use a whip when working with eli but not as a weapon. Ive never really babied eli. I know that is probably not good for a stallion. Since the day i was born i loved horses. I think ive read every horse book imaginable. I have heard of clinton anderson. I just saw an article ofmhis about introducing "scary" objects to your horse. I think a lot of it could be used with eli. I will have to read about it more before working with eli again. Last week i also got him to cross a bridge wich is a huge accomplishment as it is one of the "scary" objects that is unavoidable on our property. Both my horses are getting a bit barn sour also so im working with thwm on that. Eli has improved a lot over the six years ive had him. Once a cousin of mine hit him with a stick (yes an actual stick) which i did not witness and heard about later. I kept my eyes ln eli te rest of the time tey were visitin and eli bounced back quite well after that incident. I only hope tyhe same goes for this one. Any tips on "teaching" a horse to lunge? Ive been working on this with eli which seems to improve his attitude.

 

[myhenSunrise]

My mare and her filly:
Tamika- quarter horse and Morgan horse, 9 years
Twilight- quarter horse, Morgan horse, and appy, 4 months old

It took me ten minutes to get them to pose like this!