A little of the topic, but his hoofs are a little long. Do you trim them yourself?
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He is not a good halter horse, but if he makes a good ridding horse, who cares! Beauty is as beauty does.
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I meant to comment on this yesterday and didn't get to it so here I am today.
The first thing that sticks out to me is he has no heel and it looks as though he's over at the knee.
It's hard to judge from these pictures what true conformation is though.
His head- I raise Arabians, thus I won't comment on, it's not anything I would like IOW.
Neck- I agree with the other posts working him on a snaffle would help but I can't help but think part of that is from his neck just being low set.
His hind end is steep and not sure if it's the pic or not but he's very up under himself, common in gaited horses if not properly bred/fault. JMO.
Looks as though he has poor muscling all over except for his neck.
Are you sure he's a KMSH? Is he papered? What are your plans with him? He'd make a nice trail horse.
However, I would get a competent farrier to get his angles right on the feet.
The first thing that sticks out to me is he has no heel and it looks as though he's over at the knee.
It's hard to judge from these pictures what true conformation is though.
His head- I raise Arabians, thus I won't comment on, it's not anything I would like IOW.
Neck- I agree with the other posts working him on a snaffle would help but I can't help but think part of that is from his neck just being low set.
His hind end is steep and not sure if it's the pic or not but he's very up under himself, common in gaited horses if not properly bred/fault. JMO.
Looks as though he has poor muscling all over except for his neck.
Are you sure he's a KMSH? Is he papered? What are your plans with him? He'd make a nice trail horse.
However, I would get a competent farrier to get his angles right on the feet.
Like I said in another post, I think a good trainer can help you lots! If you really want to do dressage, a good trainer can evaluate your horse in person a whole lot better than a bunch of people looking at a picture on the computer
Also, as I said before, Pony Club is for kids who want to learn the whole spectrum of horse care as well as riding technique. As long as your horse is sound and you are aware of it's conformation flaws, you can show in a Pony Club Rally (show) and do very well. I did my first years of pony club on an old Appaloosa that was the ugliest thing you ever saw, but man was he a good boy, and he did what I asked him to do, and he did it well. I learned a ton on that horse. Would he ever be a halter horse? Nope. And thats ok.
ETA: LOVE the fly mask! What a hoot!!!!
ETA: LOVE the fly mask! What a hoot!!!!
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yup got his papers
no trails for him thats why i got him free he dumped 2 people on the trail by bolting. hes going to be my arena horse for know. his head is almost always up unless he is in his pen because he is so scared of every thing. the farrier we had look at him said he doesnt needsohoes and that our trimmer is great.
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no trails for him thats why i got him free he dumped 2 people on the trail by bolting. hes going to be my arena horse for know. his head is almost always up unless he is in his pen because he is so scared of every thing. the farrier we had look at him said he doesnt needsohoes and that our trimmer is great.
http://www.jeffersequine.com/ssc/product.asp?CID=1&mscssid=B9S4279LBS798H7GUCP2BWXT9L6TDX5B
its the Jeffers Novelty Fly Mask
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Some food for thought: his breed naturally has a fairly high head carriage, so high headed does not necessarily equal scared. Also, given the way his neck muscling looks, he may well have bolted because of physical discomfort (or a combination of physical discomfort and its resulting mental tension making the horse more apt to spook).
If you can find a good equine massage person, he would REALLY benefit from it, and then do whatever groundwork you can to get him to lower his head and relax. Don't do anything in the ring that results in him putting his head up in a tense or pulling kind of way. Once you can get his physical problems fixed I am pretty positive he will turn out to be not a spooky horse at all (his breed isn't).
Good luck, but please realize that you may have your work cut out for you because he sure does look like he's in a lot of physical discomfort,
Pat
Some food for thought: his breed naturally has a fairly high head carriage, so high headed does not necessarily equal scared. Also, given the way his neck muscling looks, he may well have bolted because of physical discomfort (or a combination of physical discomfort and its resulting mental tension making the horse more apt to spook).
If you can find a good equine massage person, he would REALLY benefit from it, and then do whatever groundwork you can to get him to lower his head and relax. Don't do anything in the ring that results in him putting his head up in a tense or pulling kind of way. Once you can get his physical problems fixed I am pretty positive he will turn out to be not a spooky horse at all (his breed isn't).
Good luck, but please realize that you may have your work cut out for you because he sure does look like he's in a lot of physical discomfort,
Pat
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can you give me some info on the breed he was kind of a last minute rescue.
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Some food for thought: his breed naturally has a fairly high head carriage, so high headed does not necessarily equal scared. Also, given the way his neck muscling looks, he may well have bolted because of physical discomfort (or a combination of physical discomfort and its resulting mental tension making the horse more apt to spook).
If you can find a good equine massage person, he would REALLY benefit from it, and then do whatever groundwork you can to get him to lower his head and relax. Don't do anything in the ring that results in him putting his head up in a tense or pulling kind of way. Once you can get his physical problems fixed I am pretty positive he will turn out to be not a spooky horse at all (his breed isn't).
Good luck, but please realize that you may have your work cut out for you because he sure does look like he's in a lot of physical discomfort,
Pat
I whole heartedly agree with everything Pat said. However I must add that any farrier that said those feet were in good shape needs to go back to school.
If I had to put money on it I would bet feet are causing this horse pain. The heels are very underrun looking. Your trimmer is not quality at all. I honestly think before I started with a massage therapist I would get those feet straightend out then move on to MT.
www.ironfreehoof.com Look at some of the pictures there of what hooves should look like. Wrong angles are going to cause pain, which causes high head carriage which causes improper muscling.
Maybe you should consider visiting some horse forums. They will help you greatly with overall opinions and I assure you they would agree it's feet needs help. The quote "No Hoof, No HOrse" comes to mind.
I am speaking from experience here not just to here my fingers hit the keys.
Some food for thought: his breed naturally has a fairly high head carriage, so high headed does not necessarily equal scared. Also, given the way his neck muscling looks, he may well have bolted because of physical discomfort (or a combination of physical discomfort and its resulting mental tension making the horse more apt to spook).
If you can find a good equine massage person, he would REALLY benefit from it, and then do whatever groundwork you can to get him to lower his head and relax. Don't do anything in the ring that results in him putting his head up in a tense or pulling kind of way. Once you can get his physical problems fixed I am pretty positive he will turn out to be not a spooky horse at all (his breed isn't).
Good luck, but please realize that you may have your work cut out for you because he sure does look like he's in a lot of physical discomfort,
Pat
I whole heartedly agree with everything Pat said. However I must add that any farrier that said those feet were in good shape needs to go back to school.
www.ironfreehoof.com Look at some of the pictures there of what hooves should look like. Wrong angles are going to cause pain, which causes high head carriage which causes improper muscling.
Maybe you should consider visiting some horse forums. They will help you greatly with overall opinions and I assure you they would agree it's feet needs help. The quote "No Hoof, No HOrse" comes to mind.
I am speaking from experience here not just to here my fingers hit the keys.
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"...so scared of everything."
I think you are hitting the nail on the head here - this poor guy has probably had some tough times in his life and probably poor experiences with having people on his back.
I know nothing at all about this breed, but I do notice that the only significant muscling he has is in his neck and not much elsewhere. That does indeed sound like he has been poorly bitted, probably poorly ridden, and perhaps even poorly handled in general. My first order of business would be making buddies with him, and helping him to see that being around people and having one on his back doesn't have to be a painful and unpleasant experience - it can even be fun!
Good luck, and don't be discouraged if he isn't the most perfectly conformed horse. I once showed an old thoroughbred back in the 70's that was so ugly (just no other word for it
) that people would sometimes laugh at us when we entered the ring. Pooh on them - I loved the old guy and we had many great years together, and I still have a box of ribbons and trophies soomewhere in my attic to show for it!
"...so scared of everything."
I think you are hitting the nail on the head here - this poor guy has probably had some tough times in his life and probably poor experiences with having people on his back.
I know nothing at all about this breed, but I do notice that the only significant muscling he has is in his neck and not much elsewhere. That does indeed sound like he has been poorly bitted, probably poorly ridden, and perhaps even poorly handled in general. My first order of business would be making buddies with him, and helping him to see that being around people and having one on his back doesn't have to be a painful and unpleasant experience - it can even be fun!
Good luck, and don't be discouraged if he isn't the most perfectly conformed horse. I once showed an old thoroughbred back in the 70's that was so ugly (just no other word for it
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he was trained to gait by abuse. he's hoofs have'nt been done latly due to trimmer can't come out due she's been busy but we will email her and try to get her out soon. the farrier saw him the about three or for days after the trimmer came out. he was trained with a gag bit sadly and he has'nt gotting over his training which he probley won't ever get rid of
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