How did I get this color? (Who is my mommy?)

[WVduckchick]

Seramas are such fun.

Just got a little better pic of the girl in question.

@Sneebsey , would you be willing to take a look at a picture of a cockerel of mine and give your thoughts on potential colors he is carrying? I could pm you a picture

Feel free to throw him in here if you want. I think I’ve gotten about as much as can be guessed on mine.

 

[Dona Worry]

Feel free to throw him in here if you want. I think I’ve gotten about as much as can be guessed on mine.

Thank you! Here he is!
I need some better pictures, but this should give you an idea. I am mostly wondering if he is likely to have splash.

 

[The Moonshiner]

I saw this thread and the OP is someone I would surely like to help but these are the situations I don't like messing with.
First issue is they didn't seem super confident that that was the father and no info at first of other potential sires.
The second issue is seems everyone crosses all colors/patterns of this breed. Thinking back I can't recall anyone breeding any of them that are breeding true.
There's to much unknowns especially with recessive genes on both sides.
This is like trying to figure out mixed breeds with unknown backgrounds.
Sometimes it can be figured out some times you can narrow it down or guess but for me I wouldn't feel comfortable giving an opinion because I couldn't be sure and not sure it could ever be figured out.
Sorry no help with this one.

 

[Sneebsey]

Thank you! Here he is!
I need some better pictures, but this should give you an idea. I am mostly wondering if he is likely to have splash.

Since the OP is ok with doubling up (starting your own thread would have been advisable) I shall say that yes, he appears to be Splash. He also has Mahogany darkening the gold to that deep red. Other than that, there is little to be gathered from his appearance as cockerels on most e-series appear similarly, with the groundcolour showing on the back there and the eumelanin (black, diluted here to splash) showing in the head and tail.

This is like trying to figure out mixed breeds with unknown backgrounds.
Sometimes it can be figured out some times you can narrow it down or guess but for me I wouldn't feel comfortable giving an opinion because I couldn't be sure and not sure it could ever be figured out.

I agree there, but thought I'd take a stab at it regardless. The genetics that the pullet has are simple to identify, her parentage is not.

 

[Dona Worry]

Since the OP is ok with doubling up (starting your own thread would have been advisable) I shall say that yes, he appears to be Splash. He also has Mahogany darkening the gold to that deep red. Other than that, there is little to be gathered from his appearance as cockerels on most e-series appear similarly, with the groundcolour showing on the back there and the eumelanin (black, diluted here to splash) showing in the head and tail.



I agree there, but thought I'd take a stab at it regardless. The genetics that the pullet has are simple to identify, her parentage is not.

Thanks! Does that mean if he was crossed over hens that carry black, there is a chance that some of the resulting chicks could be blue or splash as well?
I wish I knew what his parents were!

 

[The Moonshiner]

If crossed with hens that are black or have black in their pattern then EVERY chick he produces will be blue instead of black in those areas of their pattern.

 

[Dona Worry]

If crossed with hens that are black or have black in their pattern then EVERY chick he produces will be blue instead of black in those areas of their pattern.

Really?? I thought it was 50% black, then 25% each for blue and splash?

I swear I was just trying to study this, I was never terribly good at genetics.

 

[Granny Hatchet]

I dont know a thing about genetics but I do raise serama and serama mixed and that hen dont have feathered feet and that would be enough for me to rule out the deluuce Or however its spelled LOl also seramas just dont breed true. 2 that look alike say buff will and can throw a black chick then it will change colors 3 times before it gets its adult plumage.

 

[Sneebsey]

Really?? I thought it was 50% black, then 25% each for blue and splash?

I swear I was just trying to study this, I was never terribly good at genetics.

Your splash cockerel has two genes for blue. Your black hen has two genes for not!blue. All of their offspring together will get one copy of blue from dad, and one copy of not!blue from mum, and will be blue, as @The Moonshiner states.

Were one to breed a blue cockerel to a black hen, half the offspring would be black and half blue; this is because a blue bird has only one gene for blue, one for not!blue, and can pass either to his offspring.

When you breed a blue to a blue, that's when you start to see all three colours; as each parent has one blue gene and one not!blue gene, the offspring may get one of each and be blue like their parents (50% will be blue), both blue and be splash (25%), or both not!blue and be black (25%).

When breeding in small numbers the percentages never line up quite right, but as a guide...

 

[Dona Worry]

Your splash cockerel has two genes for blue. Your black hen has two genes for not!blue. All of their offspring together will get one copy of blue from dad, and one copy of not!blue from mum, and will be blue, as @The Moonshiner states.

Were one to breed a blue cockerel to a black hen, half the offspring would be black and half blue; this is because a blue bird has only one gene for blue, one for not!blue, and can pass either to his offspring.

When you breed a blue to a blue, that's when you start to see all three colours; as each parent has one blue gene and one not!blue gene, the offspring may get one of each and be blue like their parents (50% will be blue), both blue and be splash (25%), or both not!blue and be black (25%).

When breeding in small numbers the percentages never line up quite right, but as a guide...

Oh, I just got it muddled somehow.

Thank you SO much!