I mean this in the most innocent way possible, I swear. I don't have a lot of time on this forum, so I don't know the tone, but I really don't mean anything by it. Not trying to pick a fight or ruffle feathers. I have contemplated getting a few meat birds, but I don't know if I would be able to kill them myself (and my daughter has flat out said she won't eat something we raise, so there's that). I would just like to become more self-sufficient, but I don't know that I could actually do the deed (and then butcher it out). I cried when one of my layers died mysteriously. How do you get over the killing?