How exactly, do you tie a dead chicken to the dog who killed it?

[Galaxie_Man]

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Is using a crate a bad thing??

Mine uses the crate as a safe haven to get away from the kids

First, all the dogs we've ever had were crate trained, including the three we have now. Dogs have no concept of time passage, it doesn't matter if they're crated 10 minutes or 10 hours. Our dogs are crated all day while we are at work, and loose in the house when we are home, and at night. They always go into their crates on command, and sometimes on their own for some doggy solitude. Second, the chickens and dogs share a fenced in yard, but not at the same time. We found out how bad that combination is by accident. We have two Rhodesian Ridgebacks and a Poodle, so no amount of training is gonna undo the predator instinct in those boys. Is crate training cruel? Only if you think of your dog in human terms. As far as tying the dead chicken to the dogs neck....it's the same stupid thought process that makes people rub a puppy's nose in a puddle of pee long after he did it. He can't put 2 + 2 together, he just knows someone is being mean to him right now.

 

[Wildsky]

Well said Galaxie!

Question. What do your dogs do if they need to pee or poop when they're in the crate?

 

[gritsar]

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Oh, I know it hurts, no doubt about it. But as was discussed when we were thinking about getting one, better to use the collar a little and with restraint, than for Jake to wind up at the animal shelter. Which was the next option because we had tried everything else.

 

[therealsilkiechick]

seriously though, here is a method that definately works on any size dog just a little harder to do with big ones and should help. if a dog does something bad u should correct them in the act or as soon as ya notice it.

i have a min pin that used to sneak in the brooders and steal peeps she hates anything smaller than her. she'd snag them when we where not looking out of the liveing room, kill them and try to hide them in the kid's rooms. i'd not here her collar jingle and she was quiet wouldn't come when i called her. she knew she did something wrong and try to hide them before she'd come out. only killed them cause she didn't like to hear them i guess she'd never would eat them. i was so mad, the kid's would freak it was aweful, thankfully she only did it 4 times before she learned not to do it and only got a few. it is part of her breed they can't help it, it's just instinct for alot of breeds. the dog needs u to teach it a way it understands and can comprehend not what you think it may understand.

we would take the dead peeps and hide them so she didn't know what we wanted when we called her cause she is smart she would know she did something wrong and try to get you to play chase and make a game of it. we'd get down to her level on our knees, grab her extra skin on the front of her neck, roll her on her back so she is in the submissive possition, give her a shake by the loose skin on her neck so she knew we where serious but nothing that would hurt her. hold the chick up so she could see it and say no in a stern voice while looking her in the eye. then you let go and make sure she stays laying down and you get up before she does. if she gets up first or wont look u in the eyes do it again till they get it right she needs to know ur alpha of the pack and u are serious. once we did this she never did it again. it only took a few times and she learned quick. i can now leave open brooders all the time she will not go near them but for a long time i kept wired lids on them that locked just in case but she still never went near them with the lids on.

we also would take one of us hold her leash and have her sit and the other hold a live chick guarding it in our hands. we tell her to look at the baby, what's mommy got and let her smell it. if she looked like she was gonna go after it i'd say no in a stern voice and she'd get a tug on her lease and told to sit. we did it many times till she got it right i can have one sitting on the couch alone and she'd leave it alone now but i still will never leave her alone with them.

this is teaching them as if a mother dog is teaching her pup or you are training it comands. they will respect u and understand it better and will definately be alot better than dealing with a rotten chicken. this doesn't just work with chickens it works with other things they do wrong as well.

hope this helps,
silkie

 

[WriterofWords]

Dogs don't know the difference between 10 minutes and 10 hours????????? That would mean they also don't feel the urge to potty or eat either do they? The don't know they haven't been fed in a day or so? I'm sorry and I don't mean to be rude but that is a crock.
I imagine the person that thought that one up also believes they have no feelings or emotions. I don't mean the person on here either, I've heard people say things like before and the first one that comes to my mind is Michael Vick and trash like him.

 

[Gonzo the Great]

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[Wildsky]

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I've know folk to put their dogs into crates overnight - and thats not me, I want a dog really to be part of the household and to know his manners, if he needs a space of his own well thats ok but I dont' think I could LOCK him into a crate like that....
Well I guess thats why we don't have a dog - I just don't have the time or the energy to teach them those good manners..

 

[WriterofWords]

I have very small dogs and very large dogs. I've never crated them, I've taught them manners. If I have company coming over and they are concerned about my animals the cats go in my bedroom with their food and litter, the small dogs either go in with them or if it's warm outside with the big dogs. I don't see animals as convenient accessories, I see them as living, breathing, wonderful companions. I don't feel the need to lock my son in a crate and he's given me more trouble than any of my animals ever have when it comes to being messy. Hmmmm maybe I should have?

 

[dlhunicorn]

my two cents:
once a dog has started killin chickens it is untrainable... good fencing and protection is the way to go with your flock...
At first I couldn't believe this subject (tying a dead chicken round a dogs neck as "training" ) was seriously being discussed here, but apparently there is a need to do so.

PurpleChicken and MDBucks.... double spankygrams for both of ya...

 

[Kiwibird]

Well I asked myself, in regard to the dog killing chicken saga (hmmm that was interestingly ambiguous) "What would croc girl do?".

It seems to me that stapling a shopping cart to the dog through the extra skin, filling the said shopping cart with the dead chicken and an assortment of mixed roadkill, and playing a xylophone voluntary would be a good place to start.

If all of you pessimists are correct and blood will out, instinct will prevail, and what not, then it is obviously time to start removing legs. Getting a burglar to gnaw off the dogs legs, one for each significant crime, would seem to be the way to go. If the burglar shows significant lack of interest in this task, it may be possible to motivate him/her by swinging said burglar around one's head in a sack. If one reaches the knocking on the head stage, toss a coin as to whether this should be done to the dog or the burglar.

Make sure the rest of the chickens are on hand to help out with any transportation of participants to the local hospital that may become necessary.