How long for niacin?

[casportpony]

That’s why I’m using brewer’s yeast to supplement.

We've been told by Purina that it contains 55 ppm niacin, which is enough niacin for most breeds of ducks. Some breeds, like the Pekin, do better with more.

 

[chickens really]

It's listed in the ingredients.
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Here not everything is listed.

 

[casportpony]

Here not everything is listed.

What's not listed?

 

[casportpony]

I thought the issue here was about niacin not being listed (nicotinic acid = niacin) and it is, so I am confused.

@Brahmb, what you're feeding now is fine, and if you want to stop adding the brewers yeast that should be okay.

 

[chickens really]

What's not listed?

Not getting in to this conversation again..
Contact me privately if needed..

 

[casportpony]

Here not everything is listed.

Not getting in to this conversation again..
Contact me privately if needed..

Sorry, I think I misunderstood what you meant, my bad.
If by here you meant Alberta or Canada that I understand.

Here in the US, Purina and all feed companies I have seen list all of the ingredients and the guaranteed analysis on a feed tag if it's a larger bag. Smaller bags will have the ingredients and the guaranteed analysis printed on the bag.

 

[Miss Lydia]

Didn't see that you are using Flock Raiser at first you said starter crumble. What are your breeds?

 

[EggSighted4Life]

As far as see, the Purina Flock Raiser Crumble - which is what I am using, has no niacin.

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That’s why I’m using brewer’s yeast to supplement.

It is not listed in the GUARANTEED analysis as it is not required to be... but I contacted the company and they replied that it has 55mg/kg of niacin.

There are SOOO many things that aren't required to be listed in the "guaranteed analysis"... like thiamine and such as well... that when you really want to know, ya gotta decode the rest of the label ingredients and what they might be called. I have spent hours on end at different feed stores reading labels, learning terms and so on... Some of the owners wonder what in the heck I am doing. In fact... once isn't enough... I read labels just about every time I buy BECAUSE they change their formulation/ingredients so often. No too long ago I had switched to another feed because Purina was including DE in their flock raiser. And NOW it's no longer there!

I'm actually going to be contacting again and asking for full analysis for this and any other products I am interested in... despite the fact I do NOT diminish nutrients with treats... hatch rate on my Silkie's indicates riboflavin deficiency.

What I'm most curious about is calorie content on the different formulas... often listed on turkey or other animal feeds, but I never see it on chicken feed. Calories can ONLY come from 3 sources... protein, fat, and carbs including fiber... So lower "protein" feeds may still be giving you the same calorie count... but are ya getting more bang for you buck if fat or carbs are less nutrient dense? In other words... if my birds are eating to meet a certain ENERGY goal, I feel like protein energy is a better source than carbs or fat... assuming it is still balanced.... I guess I'm talking about the difference between 16% protein layer or 20% flock raiser... The other 4% must be made up of carbs or fat... or is it zero calorie oyster shell? I have seen "breeder" formulas with 22% protein and still 4-5% OS.. And the mind spins on.

 

[Brahmb]

When I took a look at the list of ingredients online again, it said niacin right in it. So, any way you look at it, my ducks are gonna have healthy legs. To clarify, I started them on starter crumble and quickly started adding flock raiser. Now it’s a mix. And, I believe my original question has been answered as well. I will stop adding the brewer’s yeast when it runs out.

 

[Brahmb]

Didn't see that you are using Flock Raiser at first you said starter crumble. What are your breeds?

Sorry. Clarified above. I have 3 Rouen ducks.