How to identify a Spaulding peafowl

[KsKingBee]

I never understood the point of "pattern vs color" designation, other than to continue the now disproved notion that peafowl can have multiple pattern mutations, but just one color mutation. It's actually somewhat amusing to me how this "pattern vs color" mantra gets carefully repeated on a bunch of websites about peafowl, but then things get sloppy when genetics is attempted to be explained.

I guess I don't understand what you are referring to when you say 'color vs pattern mantra'. and that peafowl cannot have multiple patterns or colors when it is plainly evident that they can carry more than one color and pattern in the same breeder bird. I have at least two breeding pens that produce multiple colors and patterns, one through 'Crossover', a split peach that also produces Purple and Cameo as well as Peach. I know that @AugeredIn could explain it much better than I.

 

[Rosa moschata]

When I wrote the post below several years back, the "mantra" was that patterns could be combined, but not colors.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/combining-colors.461096/#post-5832695

 

[KsKingBee]

When I wrote the post below several years back, the "mantra" was that patterns could be combined, but not colors.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/combining-colors.461096/#post-5832695

Thanks, I'll go check it out.

 

[eshaan joshi]

can a cross occur between male Indian peafowl and green peahen

 

[Dany12]

That's what we call a spalding peackcok.
http://www.browfarm.co.uk/peafowl/peafowl-varieties/spalding-peafowl/

Are you from India?
I always wondered ...
In the East of India (Manipur) there are still some green peacocks ... but there are also blue peacocks ... how were there no cross ... 'spalding' natural!
There have been studies on it?
Ditto in Bangladesh ...

 

[eshaan joshi]

yes im from india

and there are no inter breeding btw the two to the best of my knowledge

 

[Dany12]

... So what's that ... ?

It's a peacock spalding (blue) 50%.
50% of green blood and 50% of blue blood.

Here are the parents :

Father = Pavo muticus muticus ( Malaysia and Indonésia java).
Mother = Pavo cristatus pattern black shoulder .(IB BS ).

So the spalding (hybrid fertile) is split Black shoulder (one gene BS in his profile).

 

[eshaan joshi]

i guess you did not read my first query carefully

i know of spalding whose mother's are indian and fathers green

i was wondering if there are or can be spalding the other way round-father indian and mother green

and your right about both living naturally in east india

therefore the peacock being our national bird as well being personally mystified by them i wondered if india has any spaldings of type 2

 

[Dany12]

Father blue mother green or mother blue and father green ... It's the same thing ... mixture of two genomes.
In the East of India if these populations were close to each other ... they would mix ... but for centuries we would have green peacocks very different from the green peacocks of Thailand or Java .. Outside there are not very big differences!
Same with the blue peacock! wild blue peacock of Manipur is different from the wild blue peacock of Kerala or Sri Lanka ... NO!
So there was no 'hybridization'!

The good question ... is ...
Cross green peacock x blue peahen.
Cross green peacock x blue peahen black shoulder.
Is it the same thing ...?

I would like to buy wild blue peacocks from India ... which door should I knock?

 

[eshaan joshi]

yeah i dont think there are any spaldings of a blue cock and green hen becoz everywhere i have searched i have found it to be the other way round

also i would imagine that a blue cock and green hen spalding would look much more different coz java fowls are not very dimorphic so its not the same thing

the question that really intrigues me is the genetic one- that perhaps crossing needs to be gender specific to yield a fertile spalding or else we'll have infertile hybrids like ligers or tigons

and therefore i wonder that perhaps there were infertile hybrids in india or even in nature but obviously they did not multiply so its gone unnoticed

and adopting exotic birds from a country also one which happens to be the national bird seems a long shot officially however they freely roam about the country getting one i'd imagine would not be difficult its taking them back to wherever you will