How to make Non silkie fibro white chicken?

[sylviethecochin]

I'm starting to second guess, reading all you've told me, the birds I planned to add to the mix this spring. I have black Liege Fighters, White O-Shamos and some Barbezieux I wanted to incorporate and cut out the EE/OE because who knows what's in their backgrounds lol

I've never even heard of some of those. Are Barbezieux White-faced black spanish? the pictures looks similar.

You may want to give a description of the chicken you want to produce, and then tag nicalandia and the moonshiner. I'm not that great with genetics--I know more than 99.9% of the population...but that's not much to brag about.

 

[Elsveta641]

I think the two are very similar if not the same thing, yes. I am trying to make a very large chicken who us very intelligent and protective to guard flocks against predators. I'd like it to have a somewhat upright station, be fibro and solid colored

 

[sylviethecochin]

Shamos are yellow-skinned, yeah? That's recessive, so it would be hard to breed out. I'd start with a white-skinned bird and try to make it heavier by outcrossings. @nicalandia @Sneebsey or @The Moonshiner might have different opinions.

Cubalayas are white-skinned, and pretty upright. Old English Game are similar, though a little more chicken-aggressive, from my understanding (They're also very easy to source from Cackle.)

White Plymouth Rocks are large, white-skinned, and dominant white.

I'd start with those two breeds in one pen, and then another pen of Svarthona cockerel (or whatever your fibro of choice is) and a heavier hen.

Bresse are known for being light-boned and thin-skinned. I wouldn't use them.

 

[nicalandia]

get yourself a rather large white breed with dark shanks(Light shanks means Id, which is the sex linked dermal inhibitor gene and it will restrict fibromelanotic expression, except for the F1 pullets because they will inherit id+ from silkies) and mate her with a Silkie rooster(partridge would be best as not to introduce unknown color genes).

Years ago I did a cross of a fibromelanotic rooster with a white leghorn and this produce sexlinks(black skin white feathered hens and white skin white feathered rooster)

 

[Elsveta641]

get yourself a rather large white breed with dark shanks(Light shanks means Id, which is the sex linked dermal inhibitor gene and it will restrict fibromelanotic expression, except for the F1 pullets because they will inherit id+ from silkies) and mate her with a Silkie rooster(partridge would be best as not to introduce unknown color genes).

Years ago I did a cross of a fibromelanotic rooster with a white leghorn and this produce sexlinks(black skin white feathered hens and white skin white feathered rooster)

Excellent advice, thank you so much!

 

[nicalandia]

Years ago I did a cross of a fibromelanotic rooster with a white leghorn and this produce sexlinks(black skin white feathered hens and white skin white feathered rooster)

I would like to point out that the F1 of this cross are poor egg layers and go broody, recent studies show that egg size, laying ability and broodiness are polygenic traits with many of those genes being sex linked, my F1 hens laid small eggs and went broody, even when mother was a production type white leghorn that laid about 300 egg per year and never went broody. It was not until the back cross to white leghorn that the production increased many folds

 

[nicalandia]

Silkies in General have very poor production traits(any measurable production traits that is), They are Fancy, fluffy and have black skin. so if you are using a Silkie rooster for this cross, expect the F1s to be mediocre at best and plain awful at worst, the good thing is that Fibromelanotic is a simple autosomal dominant gene and id+ is recessive in nature and back crossing to the original white large more productive breed will greatly help


If you have the chance of working with a different Fibromelanotic breed like Semani or Svarthona I would rather work with them. or perhaps a F1 Silkie cross rooster from a different breeding project

 

[Elsveta641]

Silkies in General have very poor production traits(any measurable production traits that is), They are Fancy, fluffy and have black skin. so if you are using a Silkie rooster for this cross, expect the F1s to be mediocre at best and plain awful at worst, the good thing is that Fibromelanotic is a simple autosomal dominant gene and id+ is recessive in nature and back crossing to the original white large more productive breed will greatly help


If you have the chance of working with a different Fibromelanotic breed like Semani or Svarthona I would rather work with them. or perhaps a F1 Silkie cross rooster from a different breeding project

I have multiple Ayam Cemani and a olive egger who's mixed that produces very fibro looking chicks

 

[nicalandia]

I have multiple Ayam Cemani and a olive egger who's mixed that produces very fibro looking chicks

Awesome.! Pics please

 

[Elsveta641]